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[tracy_loo_who]

You guys, I CANNOT GET ENOUGH OF CASTIEL. D: I keep rewatching every single scene he's been in over and over again, and I finally got so sick of clicking on each episode and searching for his scenes that I spliced all of them together in one vid. Thought I'd share it here, in case anyone else is as obsessed as I am and/or just thinks it would be useful for making Dean/Castiel fanvids or some shit: 30min/200mb of glorious Dean/Castiel at MU. (I was going to add some surprise Rahm in there but VDub is finicky about videos with different bitrates and I didn't want to bother with another program since I like VDub's encoding best, alas.)

Unlike my last post, I'm going to attempt to inject some coherency into this one. I've seen a couple of people make comparisons between angels and cylons, about free will and falling and redemption, and I have to say I've been having some of the same thoughts. But more than that, the four angels who've seen the face of god just smack me as the Final Four, which would make God the Final Cylon. :P (I've certainly thought about that too, about the Final Cylon being the original creator, but that's neither here nor there.)

This brings me to a sort of theory, if you will. Maybe God in SPNverse is just another angel, albeit even more powerful than the Final Four, as they shall henceforth be referred to. That's why he's so paranoid about the other angels not having faith that he put a death sentence on it. If this is true, it might also give Kripke & co. fodder to base season 5 around, because let's face it, I have no idea what the frak else they could do to top this season's freaking apocalypse, as Dean would say. Unless the conclusion of this season is the 66th seal getting broken and Hell coming to earth and the whole next season just deals with the aftermath of that.

Either way, this lends itself nicely to Castiel falling, y/y? :D He's already having doubts, we've already seen him envy Anna's kiss with the boy he dragged from perdition humanity (btw, this is sort of OT, but whatever: I don't believe Castiel and Anna had a romantic history as most of fandom seems to think; just that she was his boss so they had a working relationship), and if he suspects God is really just some pumped up angel... there's no reason for him not to fall (for Dean). And since Dean already saved Castiel, that's my new goal in life: to see Castiel fall. Besides, it doesn't seem he's terribly high up in the angel hierarchy anyway. Which raises the question: If Alistair is so much more powerful than he is, how did Castiel manage to steal Dean away from him? And God I really really really want to see flashbacks of this.. Castiel in all his wings and glory, gripping Dean's arm tight and lifting him from Hell. I wonder if he remembers any of that, considering he remembers the rest of Hell.

I also want to ask you guys something about Sam/Ruby. Ruby getting captured by Alistair and bringing the demons to the showdown -- was Sam in on that plan too or was he just covering up for Ruby's betrayal? I've had a couple of conversations about this with people and still haven't really come to a solid conclusion. I think Sam was covering up for her because she left when he was sleeping and he genuinely seemed to not know where she was in the scene before the angels came. And there was that look between them when Dean told Sam it was a good plan.. What does everyone else think?

What's the official return date for SPN? I've heard both Jan 15 and Jan 29 from multiple people.. Personally, I'm hoping for Jan 15 if only because BSG premieres the next day and those would just be the two best days of my frakking life.

In case anyone missed it, the HQ version of the formerly elusive promo is here. :D :D :D MOST INTENSE 1.5 MINUTE VIDEO EVER. God, everything is turned upside-down, including me, and it really hit me how much I miss my show, and how it's almost over. D: Before this semester started I started splicing together all the Kara/Lee scenes from every episode, much like the Castiel vid above, but I only got about halfway through season two. Just watching the promo is enough to inspire me to start working on that again. jfkds;aflksdj

Comments

[coffeejunkii.livejournal.com]

i don't think sam was in on ruby's plan.

thanks for linking to the bsg preview! i hadn't seen it yet. omg, it looks amazing. and scary. i also have to rewatch the first half of s4 to remind myself what was going on there :P

[tracy.livejournal.com]

That makes their dynamic a whole lot more interesting, then, and speaks volumes about their relationship that I'm still not entirely sure I like. Ruby's growing on me a bit, though.

That's what I'm going to do over Christmas break -- watch as much BSG as possible. XD

[tracy.livejournal.com]

LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AWAY HOLY SHIT. I've been so obsessed with Supernatural lately that BSG has sort of taken a backseat, but NOT ANYMORE.

[nomorefrostbite.livejournal.com]

omg DOWNLOADED. Cheers m'dears!!!!!

BATTTTTLLLEEESSTTTARRRRRRRR needs to be back right now. I need more Tory right now. I need more Final Five right now. I just need more Leoben right now. I need TV TO BE BACK.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Glad someone else can enjoy it too! :D

I need to know what the fuck is going on between Zarek and Gaeta, and Adama and Roslin, and Kara and Lee and Chief and just, god, WHO IS THE FINAL FUCKING CYLON?

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

Castiel has pretty much consumed most of my fangirling time. Srsly. Everything about the character, the way Misha plays him, I can't get enough. ♥

Hee! I am so loving the comparisons between the angels and Cylons, because really it makes sense. And for the Final Four to be those four angels and the Fifth being God, that so needs to be crossovered. I don't care how, it just does because it's brilliant.

Those are excellent points you bring up and I like your theories regarding God and the angels. I'm really enjoying seeing the side of the religious aspect of the show, seeing the complications and the difficulties and perhaps the grass isn't always greener on the other side. My suspicion is the the four angels who've claimed to have seen God are the ones giving out the orders, and there is a God but He doesn't appear to all of his angels and only to certain ones. I think this may be an interesting development because Dean has to start believing and have faith and Castiel, who's doubting and questioning much like Anna had before she fell, might also be chosen for God's Will and will probably see God if there's a chance he might fall, as well. I mean, it's not that I want him to fall for "disobeying" or whatever, but if his purpose is to fall because of saving Dean and for making direct contact with God instead of just handed out orders from other angels, that would be an intriguing twist.

In terms of the plan Ruby had, I don't think Sam was in on it. I think he figured she would do something but not in exact details. He did seem rather worried before Uriel and Castiel appeared and the showdown began.

If Alistair is so much more powerful than he is, how did Castiel manage to steal Dean away from him? And God I really really really want to see flashbacks of this.. Castiel in all his wings and glory, gripping Dean's arm tight and lifting him from Hell. I wonder if he remembers any of that, considering he remembers the rest of Hell.

Dude, I so totally agree with this. I'm not entirely sure if Castiel and Alastair ever did have an encounter when he gripped Dean from Hell, but the implications seemed that there might've been. I honestly don't know. I don't think we'll be getting a flashback because Kripke said months ago he didn't want to actually show Hell, but with all they've discussed with their version of it they can just recall certain things. Like another Dean and Castiel scene together as they talk about it, him being saved and Castiel risking himself in the Pit for him and fighting demons off to save him.

This also raises another question though: was Dean still torturing souls when Castiel came to drag him out? What was happening at that time when he was being saved? I want to know!

There's so many things about this that my brain is all ljsadl;fjas;ldjf;lasdkf because of it. I love this show so much for doing that to me. :D

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I pretty much hijacked my friend's projector that he hijacked from another friend of ours just so I could spend hours watching Misha's face be huge on the wall. Jesus, that man and his eyes. fjklda;lfksdjflk

Since I'm pretty sure we'll find out who the Final Cylon is before we find out for sure whether or not there's a God, it'll be interesting to see how that affects our Supernatural theories too, hahha. I agree, though, there needs to be crossovers!

Wow, I really like that idea, that Castiel was sent from Heaven to save Dean by falling. That would be so epic and so full-circle, somehow. But I don't really get what you mean by him seeing God to fall? I wonder if it's possible for an angel's grace to be transferred or given to (or even stolen by) someone else. If Castiel literally or figuratively gives his grace to Dean. I don't really know where this thought is going, but really I'd be happy with Dean just wearing Castiel's grace on a necklace, heh.

Right, that's what I thought too. If it's true, that certainly implies a lot about Sam and Ruby's relationship. Seems dangerous, but then again Ruby really does seem genuinely loyal to him. I wonder if she can be redeemed, if demons can retrieve their humanity.

I imagine they wouldn't be flashbacks so much as second-long flashes of white light on the bloody red that we've been seeing, maybe shadows of his wings too. But god yes, I would love love love to see Dean and Castiel actually talk about it. I'm the one who gripped you tight and raised you from perdition. I wonder how difficult it was, exactly, for Castiel to do this, and how much he risked. Oh, Misha. ♥

Hmm, I assume there's no time for sleep down in Hell, so yeah, he was probably in the middle of torturing someone. D: I wonder if any of those souls will come back somehow, Witness-like, to confront Dean.

God, me too. This and BSG are the only two shows that do that to me, and really it only started this season for Supernatural. fjklds;aflkd ♥!

[kaeyshi.livejournal.com]

you know, there is also the possibility that He is not God or an uber-angel but some anti-lucifer playing with the angels, cause God is otherwise busy or delayed...?
but personally i ll wait and see what else will happen, even if it takes until next year *sigh*

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Hahahha, the four angels had to come up with this huge conspiracy 'cause God was too busy with his crossword puzzles. XD

Hey, at least this hiatus isn't as long as the ones for some shows that shall remain unnamed.

[kira-bouviea.livejournal.com]

The Vid! Thanks muchly I'm so snagging this.

As for the whole cylon thing - I hadn't even considered it. I like it though, It just calls for a crossover.

It would be really cool, if God, doesn't necissarily want Castiel to fall but for Dean to assend to gain grace as it were. And this just came to me but you don't think that Dean is a seal do you? I think he was and when Dean was in Hell and Castiel saved him, he gave Dean a choice, he could stay in hell and continue to torture those souls thereby losing his humanity, or he could be rescued from Alistar and hell's grasp and try to redeme himself.

Or it could be that Dean never actually did torture souls, Alistar could have just been screwing with Deans' head and done some sort of mind wammy to make Dean think he was free from the rack when he wasn't? And the only "people" dean was torturing was himself, his soul?

FTW I need to stop my crazy theories now and actually go do some work.

Thanks for the vid.

[brainzz-insanee.livejournal.com]

Wow, I don't mind if you stop your "crazy" theories! I love these thoughts, especially the second one! I've never gotten that thought before but it's definitely interesting. I think it's very possible that Dean was getting messed with and he thought he was torturing others...

[ruskiebiz.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the clip! :D

It's about time 4.5 started airing. How I missed that show. Kara/Lee interaction was lacking a lot lately. Hope they make up for it in 4.5. :D

[tracy.livejournal.com]

You're welcome! :D :D

OH MY GOD THEIR KISS IN THE PROMO. Only a split second long, but Jesus, the UST.. Take that, everyone who said their relationship had lost its passion and became platonic after He That Believeth In Me. *_*

[marycontraire.livejournal.com]

Which raises the question: If Alistair is so much more powerful than he is, how did Castiel manage to steal Dean away from him?

I'm wondering if Castiel's growing human emotions are hindering his smiting powers.

[cherazz.livejournal.com]

OHHHH! Interesting point you raise there! I'm going to have to agree fully and completely ;)

[dangerous-47.livejournal.com]

Grabbin the Castiel thing. XD Thanks. :D

[tracy.livejournal.com]

You're welcome, enjoy! :D :D

[moonofwinds.livejournal.com]

I'm in my happy place.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I know exactly how you feel. ♥

[exx-cecilegr.livejournal.com]

Dean/Castiel!! I am so downloading your vid of clips. Thanks for putting it together. :)

I want Castiel to fall SO BAD.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

You're welcome! :D :D

I squealed so loudly when Dean saved Castiel, but that will be nothing compared to how much I'll freak out if Castiel actually falls. fjdska;flksdjf;sld

[lena3.livejournal.com]

Thank you so much!!! One continuous loop of Castiel is awesome!!!

!!!!!! LOL

Yes, I think Castiel has potential to fall, the look on his face when he watched Anna, I still can't quite figure out what it was. And Dean beating on Alastair to save him and Dean being a weakness of his and... :D I love it!

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so! :D :D :D

I like to think it was burning jealousy mixed with a little bit of betrayal because ANNA wasn't the one who risked herself to save Dean from Hell. But really I think the bit where he looked away was meant to be "I shouldn't watch, I'll just be tempted to want that"? It's open to so much interpretation, and it was only one goddamn look from Misha. Jesus, that man. ♥!

Dean is becoming the Sam to Castiel's Dean! Heee, this sounds lame, but I have such a weak spot for them having weak spots. jfk;dsaflksjl;dfsk

[static-pixie.livejournal.com]

New Dean/Castiel fangirl here (somehow I missed this post - I may have been to busy being bitter about 4.10). XD I may need to steal that since I've spent so long ignoring/disliking Castiel.

I'm actually interested in the power dynamic between Castiel and Uriel. Because Uriel should be stronger, according to mythology. Castiel called him a specialist, and he's the angel of repentance. And he's known for being as cruel as any demon. And I'm wondering whether Castiel had to fight Alastair, if Alastair didn't just let Dean go. He referred to what Dean had done in Hell but he never once tried to take him back with him despite the fact that we assume Dean was technically stolen. No one's sent the hounds, nothing. Heaven wanted Dean in hell for four months, it wanted him broken, but why?

As for that plan - I never thought about that. I'd have to rewatch, but is it possible that Anna wasn't in on the plan and that's why Sam had to seem worried? (Was she even in that scene? - I so clearly don't remember this ep) It would fit in with the whole idea of Dean choosing Sam when forced to. I don't know, Dean seemed to know that the plan was to bring the demons and the angels together and told Sam it was a smart plan and none of them seemed all that surprised that Ruby had been tortured. And they were complaining about her not getting back in time.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Hahha, I'm glad you've been converted! Just cause fandom immediately loved Misha and hated Genevieve is no reason to dislike him, right? :P

I think maybe someone higher up put Castiel in charge of Uriel because if it was the other way around, Uriel would be out of control and smite things that needed to remain un-smited. Castiel, on the other hand, has more compassion and good sense, both of which are needed when dealing with someone as stubborn and hot-headed as Dean.

Hmm. Heaven may have wanted Dean broken for their purposes, but it doesn't seem like Alistair should have any reason to want to let Dean go, unless he thought he'd already damaged Dean so much that he'd end up doing Hell's work on earth. That would be interesting as hell (pardon the pun, oops), and you make a good point about Alistair not having tried to drag Dean back down. It came up in one of the comments above -- maybe Sam going dark and Dean somehow choosing him over Castiel/Heaven is the last seal that needs to be broken?

That makes sense, but on the other hand, when Sam and Ruby were talking about Anna, Ruby was in favor of ditching her while Sam was very adamant about helping her. And since he clearly didn't know Dean had told the angels where they were, I don't think he would have been okay with Ruby bringing the demons to them. But yeah, Anna was in the scene. (I don't understand how Dean could think it was Sam's plan to bring angels and demons together in the first place since he was the only one that knew the angels were coming.)

Also, I think I'd prefer it if Sam was covering for Ruby -- adds a very interesting dimension to their relationship, don't you think? :)

[iz-factor.livejournal.com]

hello
downloading your Dean Castiel video
thank you so much for posting.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

You're welcome, and enjoy it! :D

[omglynz.livejournal.com]

Tysm for the vid! I'm glad I'm not the only one who does that x}

[tracy.livejournal.com]

*g* This is why fandom rocks. You're welcome, and enjoy it! :D

And lol at your icon!

[shockd.livejournal.com]

Snagging the SPN footage! I'll have to credit you for helping me survive until January 15th. :) Thanks!

[tracy.livejournal.com]

*g* Happy to help out a fellow hiatus victim!

[ravenqueen55.livejournal.com]

I LOVED THIS EPISODE!!! And Castiel soooo has the hots for Dean!

Okay, about Sam/Ruby ~ I actually thought they were all in on the plan, and Ruby leaving while Sam was sleeping was just a little plot device to make us think otherwise (until the big reveal at the end). Hubby thought the same thing.

And according to my Facebook 'Addicted to Supernatural' application AND The CW website, the next episode is Jan. 15th. THAT'S A LONG TIME WITHOUT THE WINCHESTERS!!!!! *cries*

[tracy.livejournal.com]

GOD I KNOW, AND YOU JUST KNOW DEAN WAS THINKING ABOUT HIM WHEN HE WAS WITH ANNA.

Hmm, but Sam had no idea the angels were going to show up, and I don't think he would have been okay with having just the demons show up to take Anna?

That's what I thought too, but other sources say Jan 29. D: *crosses fingers for 15th* HOW WILL WE SURVIVE DECEMBER?

[kitsu84.livejournal.com]

Hello, my dear. I'm here from deancastiel.

I don't believe Castiel and Anna had a romantic history as most of fandom seems to think; just that she was his boss so they had a working relationship

I swear, if one more person brings this up, I'm going to scream. The two of them DID NOT have a romantic relationship. Why is that so frakkin' hard for the fandom to understand? All you had to do was pay attention to the converse between Anna and Dean -

Dean: Why would you want to be one of us? A bunch of miserable bastards... Eating... Crapping... Confused, afraid!
Anna: I don't know, there's loyalty... Forgiveness... Love.
Dean: Pain.
Anna: Chocolate cake.
Dean: Guilt.
Anna: Sex.
Dean: Yeah, you got me there.

Now tell me, how in the hell are they supposed to have a "romantic" history, if they're missing the two key elements of 'love' and 'sex'? It would be kind of hard, wouldn't it?

Another little tid bit of information: Anna was more the likely Anael - a MALE angel concerned with human sexuality, and the controller of the kingdoms and kings of earth.

Oh, and one more thing... Why would the Watchers have fallen for mortal women if there were female angelic beings in Heaven? It's clear to see that the Kripkeeper is pulling his information from ancient texts, and according to those said texts, all of the named angels were male. It wasn't until much later on that female angels were brought into the mythology, and even then they were few and far between.

Listen to the dialogue, people. It's there for a reason...

Note - This is by no means directed towards you, hun. It's just that I'm to the point where I feel like screaming 'enough' where this fandom is concerned.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I agree with you 100%. That's why I mentioned it -- it was starting to bug me too that all the posts I read seemed to think it was obvious there was past Castiel/Anna (not even discussions, just 'this is fact, Castiel said so') but you apparently have been much more irked by this than me, even. XD I'm totally going to point anyone who says Castiel/Anna is canon to this comment, so thanks! ♥!

[lola-thursday.livejournal.com]

Count me equally obsessed with Castiel over here!! It kind of caught me by surprise, how much! Thank you thank you thank you for the compilation. I am in the midst of gathering footage for a fanvid, and this helps me muchly. <3 <3

I did think that Sam was in on Ruby's plan--that's what the dialogue led me to believe, but I wouldn't stake $ on it. I wonder if it will become clear in the future!

[tracy.livejournal.com]

*grin* It's good to know I'm not alone in my obsession. Caught me by surprise too, I really fell for him somewhere in the second or third episodes, I think, and it's grown exponentially since then. You're very welcome, and I can't wait to see the fanvid!

I hope they do clear it up, yeah. My only qualm with that is Sam was pretty clearly surprised the angels showed up at all, and I don't think he would've been okay with Ruby bringing just the demons since he'd been so adamant during their last conversation about not ditching Anna.

[starry-ice.livejournal.com]

Thank you for the compilation. LOL I swear the whole last episode, the part that scared me most was Alistair strangling Castiel... that led to a lot of embarassing screaming at the tv on my part... And I agree, it is a pain to have to cycle through the eps individually, so thanks for making it easier to obsess :D

As for the comparison between the cylons and the angels, I haven't really thought about that, but that would be an interesting spin. And btw thank you for the link to the BSG promo. I'm excited to see how it's all going to end.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

You're welcome, enjoy the vid! I sort of missed the whole fandom-freaking-out-about-Castiel-potentially-dying thing, so it didn't even occur to me that he actually might (especially not without putting up a fight). I did scream embarrassingly when Dean saved him, though that was a scream of squee. XD

Hahaha, it's mostly just a product of having to suffer through hiatuses of both shows.. something fun to think about, you know? I'm surprised there are so many SPN+BSG fans, though, hadn't expected that. :)

[moriker.livejournal.com]

:( Megaupload doesn;t work for me! It times me out halfway!! :(

[moriker.livejournal.com]

Oooh wee now it works! THanks!!!!

[theanonsisters.livejournal.com]

thanks for this, I haven't got to watching spn yet so this might just make me do it!

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I hope so! :D :D :D Awesome, awesome show.