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tracy_loo_whoAPPROPRIATE ICON HAS NEVER BEEN MORE APPROPRIATE WTF.
Most simultaneously awkward and heartbreaking scene EVER, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. WHO WROTE THIS EPISODE AND DID THEY DO IT TO TEASE US ON PURPOSE?
I MEAN. SAM YOU WERE SO HAPPY TO FIND OUT THAT CAS WAS ALIVE.
AND THEN YOU PRAYED TO HIM.
THEN THIS HAPPENS. WHY.
IT DIDN'T GET AWKWARD UNTIL YOU FUCKING MADE IT AWKWARD, SAM. D: D: D:
Dude, I've managed to be almost okay with the way everyone's been treating Cas like shit up until now because it could be rationalized, but how can this be rationalized? WHY WOULD IT BE SO AWKWARD TO HUG HIM, SAM? (Apart from knowing that Dean has to have the first hug because they are OTP, but come on, this is not a realistic rationalization on Sam's part.) This is not about some gay love -- I don't even ship Sam/Cas -- this is about Castiel who went to Hell and back and then went through Hell on earth all over again for these bleeding Winchesters and came out of it without a single friend who will show him a simple gesture of affection. Without a single friend who will even LET him show them a simple gesture of affection, even when he clearly wants to.
I am sitting here picturing Cas being so :( and frustrated over Dean's eternal and entitled ungratefulness and then SO HOPEFUL that Sam will be more of a friend (god knows he needs one right now) that he answers Sam's prayer immediately when he won't even answer Dean's call for help sometimes. He came not because there was any need to, but because he'd been so worried and he CARED ABOUT SAM. Cas, who doesn't hold a grudge over "help me or I'll kill you" when even Bobby is having a difficult time forgiving Sam, who chewed Dean out for the damage he could've done to Sam.
And you know why Sam prayed for him? To trick Cas into spilling everything. "Bobby told me everything that happened but plz walk me through the details."
Jesus, fuck this. Cas needs a t-shirt that says "I died, fell, and died again for the Winchesters and all I got was this lousy t-shirt." EXCEPT HE DIDN'T EVEN GET A LOUSY T-SHIRT. NOTHING. UGH RAGE.
Was there more to this episode? Oh, right, there was Cas chewing Dean out (upclose) in an angry lovers' spat and being very irrational about it because he CARES ABOUT SAM, but we'd already seen it.
There was also this:
Because Dean and Bobby are the only ones in Sam's life who matter. Obviously.
On the bright side, Dean was really cute in this episode.
Especially when he was being all ♥ over Sam being Sammy again.
I mean, I'm actually really happy about Sam'n'Dean, even if my Cas rage is kind of overshadowing it. And I'm thrilled our show is back! No real opinion on the Mother of All but we'll see where it goes.
One more side note that no one will care about, but it kind of amused me on a personal level: I've now been in Portugal for so long that it seems awkward that they don't kiss each other on the cheek when saying goodbye, hahahha. WAY MORE AWKWARD THAN IT WOULD BE FOR SAM TO HUG CAS. *COUGH*
Anyway, NOW OFF TO WATCH FRINGE WHICH I'M SURE WON'T ENRAGE ME.
ETA: I forgot to mention, Dean saying Cas is "like a child" was also kind of cute. There was a bit of fondness in there under the exasperation, I think. ♥
Most simultaneously awkward and heartbreaking scene EVER, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. WHO WROTE THIS EPISODE AND DID THEY DO IT TO TEASE US ON PURPOSE?
I MEAN. SAM YOU WERE SO HAPPY TO FIND OUT THAT CAS WAS ALIVE.
AND THEN YOU PRAYED TO HIM.
THEN THIS HAPPENS. WHY.
IT DIDN'T GET AWKWARD UNTIL YOU FUCKING MADE IT AWKWARD, SAM. D: D: D:
Dude, I've managed to be almost okay with the way everyone's been treating Cas like shit up until now because it could be rationalized, but how can this be rationalized? WHY WOULD IT BE SO AWKWARD TO HUG HIM, SAM? (Apart from knowing that Dean has to have the first hug because they are OTP, but come on, this is not a realistic rationalization on Sam's part.) This is not about some gay love -- I don't even ship Sam/Cas -- this is about Castiel who went to Hell and back and then went through Hell on earth all over again for these bleeding Winchesters and came out of it without a single friend who will show him a simple gesture of affection. Without a single friend who will even LET him show them a simple gesture of affection, even when he clearly wants to.
I am sitting here picturing Cas being so :( and frustrated over Dean's eternal and entitled ungratefulness and then SO HOPEFUL that Sam will be more of a friend (god knows he needs one right now) that he answers Sam's prayer immediately when he won't even answer Dean's call for help sometimes. He came not because there was any need to, but because he'd been so worried and he CARED ABOUT SAM. Cas, who doesn't hold a grudge over "help me or I'll kill you" when even Bobby is having a difficult time forgiving Sam, who chewed Dean out for the damage he could've done to Sam.
And you know why Sam prayed for him? To trick Cas into spilling everything. "Bobby told me everything that happened but plz walk me through the details."
Jesus, fuck this. Cas needs a t-shirt that says "I died, fell, and died again for the Winchesters and all I got was this lousy t-shirt." EXCEPT HE DIDN'T EVEN GET A LOUSY T-SHIRT. NOTHING. UGH RAGE.
Was there more to this episode? Oh, right, there was Cas chewing Dean out (upclose) in an angry lovers' spat and being very irrational about it because he CARES ABOUT SAM, but we'd already seen it.
There was also this:
Because Dean and Bobby are the only ones in Sam's life who matter. Obviously.
On the bright side, Dean was really cute in this episode.
Especially when he was being all ♥ over Sam being Sammy again.
I mean, I'm actually really happy about Sam'n'Dean, even if my Cas rage is kind of overshadowing it. And I'm thrilled our show is back! No real opinion on the Mother of All but we'll see where it goes.
One more side note that no one will care about, but it kind of amused me on a personal level: I've now been in Portugal for so long that it seems awkward that they don't kiss each other on the cheek when saying goodbye, hahahha. WAY MORE AWKWARD THAN IT WOULD BE FOR SAM TO HUG CAS. *COUGH*
Anyway, NOW OFF TO WATCH FRINGE WHICH I'M SURE WON'T ENRAGE ME.
ETA: I forgot to mention, Dean saying Cas is "like a child" was also kind of cute. There was a bit of fondness in there under the exasperation, I think. ♥
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Date: 2011-02-05 07:28 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2011-02-05 07:33 am (UTC)Cas however wanted to hug him and I love him for that!
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Date: 2011-02-05 07:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-02-05 07:39 am (UTC)Poor bb Cas, he's so long overdue a hug it's not even funny any more. At this point I'd settle for a hug from Balthazar, and I don't even like that guy! (Okay, I don't dislike him, it's just every time I see him I think GABRIEL COULD DO IT BETTER.) I may as well just drown myself in schmoopy AU/AR fic and be done with it. >.>
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Date: 2011-02-05 07:42 am (UTC)I think this is part of the reason I read way more AU fics than canon fics these days. :(
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Date: 2011-02-05 07:29 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2011-02-05 10:13 am (UTC)but I dont know how much longer I can take just a few seconds of my angel pure month we had way more cas season 4
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Date: 2011-02-11 09:56 pm (UTC)I don't mind not seeing that much of Cas as long as what we do get is good. Newborn at home and all that, Misha deserves some time off.
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Date: 2011-02-05 11:04 am (UTC)The Mother thing? This is the new Big Bad more scary than Lilith? Um . . . really not so much.
LOL, I'm crabby. I just feel so sad for Cas who gives so much and gets nothing back. NOTHING.
But yea for happy Sam and Dean people. And Dean was cute in his little Excalibur moments. Is it wrong of me to have wanted a real dragon? LOL.
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Date: 2011-02-11 09:58 pm (UTC)I also wanted a real dragon! That would've been so cool, but I guess with SPN's budget they couldn't pull it off. :P
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Date: 2011-02-05 11:34 am (UTC)2) Even the bit about the cheek kissing. I mean, couldn't they at least hug? We all kiss and hug when we leave anywhere. It's so weird and uncomfortable to do the little hand wave thing. o_O
3) SAMMYYYYYYY. It was like the boys were BACK! *_*
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Date: 2011-02-05 07:35 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2011-02-05 12:45 pm (UTC)I agree Cas is being taken for granted (grrr) but I'm not too fussed about missing out on a Sam-hug. A Dean-hug, on the other hand? That would really have annoyed me. :P
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Date: 2011-02-11 10:00 pm (UTC)If they'd done this with Dean rejecting Cas, I might've blown a blood vessel. :P
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Date: 2011-02-05 03:12 pm (UTC)It's not that I don't see how Sam and Dean have at various times and different ways this season treated Cas badly but I've been equally annoyed at Castiel's treatment of Dean. Cas said something incredibly cruel to Dean here...but it's Dean who is out of line? Dean bossed Castiel around and took him for granted earlier--when he was out of his mind worried for Sam and because Dean is leaning hard on Cas. I just can't really see how there's that big a difference, they all could treat each other better. And Cas has been under unbearable pressure and Dean has been under unbearable pressure.
But I'm with you, Cas needs hugs! D:
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Date: 2011-02-11 10:01 pm (UTC)Also, a lot of their bitchiness toward each other has been related to Sam, which is much more of a Dean problem than a Castiel problem, so I dunno. Helping Dean with his problems certainly doesn't give Castiel the right to be mean about it, but it still doesn't bother me as much as when Dean gets the help/advice he's asking for and is mean about it in return. And I don't think this necessarily stems from Cas favoritism or whatever. If it was the other way around -- if Dean was trying to help Cas with his civil war and Castiel treated him badly, I'd be way more annoyed with Cas than with Dean, even if Dean was being just as bitchy.
...Well, this came out more defensive than I'd meant for it to, sorry! At the end of the day I still love them both and just wish they would fucking hug already. :P
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Date: 2011-02-05 03:20 pm (UTC)summed it up nicely for me
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Date: 2011-02-05 03:34 pm (UTC)i assume cas won't be too happy with sam once (ok, who are we kidding, *if*) he figures out that sam manipulated him into telling him what he did when he was soulless.
and lol, we kiss hello and bye here too, but thanks to american tv brainwashing i don't think it's weird when people don't. ;p
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Date: 2011-02-11 10:02 pm (UTC)I assume we won't ever see Castiel finding out Sam manipulated him. :P
Probably it's because I haven't seen a scene like this on TV for a while, with schoolgirl friends saying bye to each other and giving that awkward little wave. (I GUESS AWKWARDNESS IS THE THEME OF THIS EPISODE.) IDK, it's the first time I've thought, "huh, something's missing."
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Date: 2011-02-05 05:21 pm (UTC)lol am i the only one who was like "ok" about the not-hug? cas looked stiff and like he was all "is this the appropriate thing to do in this situation" so i doubt he was hurt or whatever the hell.
I'm OK with it… but I'm OK with Cas feeling he should make some kind of gesture too: Sam did go to Hell knowing full well what would happen to him there, and he suffered for it. I'm sure Cas is pretty moved by seeing him whole again, especially as he was pretty negative about it all. But yeah, I can't help feeling that an actual hug would've been way awkward and not really i-c for either of them – and natch, Cas's first hug should be with his OTL!
We've seen why Dean is so distracted but it'd be great to see some appreciation for what Cas is going through… he's obviously depressed and desperate. Maybe now the soul issue is resolved we might get more info about what is going on in Heaven and how pressured his situation is… I sure hope so. And I hope that'll lead to some expression of Dean's appreciation for what Cas has done for him, and some acknowledgment of how important Dean is to Cas, because even despite the prickly nature of their current relationship the chemistry is still hot like burning. Every snappish encounter has come over as a lovers' spat to me: it did in this episode too. I don't know if Show is actively trying to de-emphasize that to bring the Sam-Dean bond back front and center, but the UST still crackles every time Cas gets up in Dean's personal space and starts the eyefucking… :-D
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Date: 2011-02-05 05:48 pm (UTC)I see why you're sad though, but I have to say I read it comppletely differently. I mean, at first I thought Sam was being 100% genuine in his prayer to Cas and only started to fish for information part way through when he realised Cas was giving stuff away. Watching back I see this was wrong and Sam was fishing from the start, presumably cos he realised Dean and Bobby were both hiding something, but I don't see it as him calling Cas down PURELY for info. I think he genuinely wanted to see Cas too.
And it's not like Cas was the ONLY one of the three Sam had been pressing for answers - he pushed Dean and Bobby first. I figure it was only because the direct approach with them had so clearly failed that he decided to try a different tact with Cas. So, IMO, the denial of the hug is partly a kind of pre-emptive apology - he feels bad being affectionate with Cas when he knows he's about to deceive him.
Plus, I am also in the 'Sam is uncomfortable being tactile with Cas' camp in general. Sam and Cas have not really been very close up to this point, or at least not close without Dean there too, so it felt IC to me that Sam would find a hug awkward. If he felt Cas really wanted one then, yeah, normally, I'd imagine he'd suffer some discomfort for Cas' sake, but the guilt over the intended deception is what I think prevented him in this context.
That sound anything like an in-show, non-shippy explanation?
As to Cas' feelings on the matter - I'm finding him hard to read. He clearly IS embarrassed when he says 'that would be awkward,' but I'm undecided if it's because he is properly saddened by Sam's rejection or if it's that he's embarrassed simply because he has, in his mind, failed to grasp a human custom (something like the way he seemed concerned that 'hello' was the wrong term to use back in The Third Man).
edited due to a disgraceful failure to spell your name. apologies.
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Date: 2011-02-11 10:03 pm (UTC)I like your interpretation, with the guilt and pre-emptive apoogy. I still don't think that's what the writers (or Jared) had in mind, mostly because I don't trust them to think that hard about these sorts of things, but it makes sense from Sam's perspective. Maybe I'll even try to ask Jared about it at a con one day, who knows?
On Cas's part, I kind of think it was a bit of both. Embarrassed that he got it wrong, but also a little hurt that Sam won't give him a chance to try. Maybe I'm just projecting? I dunno, he's been embarrassed before, but it just never seemed to fluster him as much as this did, which makes me think this situation mattered more to him.
Hahahha thank you for the edit. XD
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Date: 2011-02-11 10:04 pm (UTC)Well, now Dean's just going to be constantly stressed over "omg is Sam going to scratch at the wall?" but yeah, hopefully there's a least a little bit of downtime in which he can pay more attention to Cas. Or maybe Heaven's problems will start spilling over into their problems again. Guess we'll see!
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Date: 2011-02-05 07:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-02-11 10:05 pm (UTC)I have a theory
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Date: 2011-02-05 08:06 pm (UTC)THANK YOU, TRACY_LOO_WHO! MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!
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Date: 2011-02-05 08:53 pm (UTC)I've been trying to pinpoint exactly why I was so bothered by that scene, and this just sums it up. ;w; I seriously lost sleep thinking about it. I really don't get why it would be so awkward. Is it because they don't consider Cas a brother, and any type of male-bonding outside family would be too uncomfortable for Winchesters? That would make sense, considering the only type of close relations they have outside of family is sexual... usually.
I shall sum it up as Sam and Dean being just as socially inept as Cas is sometimes.
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Date: 2011-02-05 09:26 pm (UTC)I gave up on looking for non-slashy explanations.
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Date: 2011-02-05 09:24 pm (UTC)Ben Edlund, please write us a Castiel hug. You're our only hope.
ETA: one idea that went through my head is that Sam was feeling guilty. I mean, it’s Sam. His soul is back dammit and it has always been pure like unicorn tears. He’s calling for a friend with clear intentions to manipulate his naïvety. And then this friend goes all emotional on him and tries to hug him. For Sam it’s like having a cow you’re about to slaughter for BBQ suddenly lick your face. He just cannot go with it without losing focus on his plan. So he has to distance himself and cannot even explain why. “I would hug you, but… I can’t, I’m sorry, because in a minute I’m going to lie to you and use you to get to the truth.”
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Date: 2011-02-11 10:09 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2011-02-11 10:10 pm (UTC)Dean better give Cas a hug soon...
Date: 2011-02-05 10:45 pm (UTC)Re: Dean better give Cas a hug soon...
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Date: 2011-02-06 01:33 am (UTC)On the other hand: I enjoyed calling that it was a dragon the instant there was SOMETHING ON THE WING. SOME! THING!
I'm also enjoying the fact that my Dad's stopped pretending that he hasn't been sneakily watching Supernatural over our shoulders for all these years and just sits and watches it with me & Mum. (Mum at the beginning was all 'what happened? I can't quite remember' and Dad started reeling off the plot of most of the last episode and I was secretly Lolling.)
TRACY! Did Fringe make your heartache as much as mine? Also how gross was the Gross Thing of the Week? Also also - I hear Over There is going to be back in the show soon. !! Also also also - Olivia is so ridiculously awesome. Why aren't more people watching this show?!
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Date: 2011-02-07 01:30 am (UTC)YOUR FATHER IS ADORABLE. Neither of my parents watch Supernatural, alas.
OH GOD YES IT DID. IT DID SO HARD. But I'm glad they're exploring everyone's subtle psychological responses to the switch even though the Olivias are back where they should be. Why is this show so amazingly nuanced? The Gross Thing was actually really cool and reminded me of when that happened to Harry Potter, hahha.
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Date: 2011-02-07 02:14 am (UTC)And god, yes. I agree with what you're saying about Cas.
I feel as though the writers wanted an awkward!Cas moment, but it didn't make sense and it actually hurts more than it amuses.
Cas isn't having a good time this series. After everything he still gets pushed to the side. For fuck's sake. I think he's earned a bit of respect and attention.
I adored the episode, but yes. CAS!
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Date: 2011-02-11 10:12 pm (UTC)Respect, mostly. I wish Dean would show him some.