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CANNOT EVEN.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, CAN'T TYPE.

THIS IS BASICALLY THE SUMMARY OF MY EPISODE REACTION:

[livejournal.com profile] tracy_loo_who: FJKSLDJFSLKDJSLFKDJFA;LSKFJLKDFJ
[livejournal.com profile] vichan: KDJAKSLDJASKLDJSKAL;D
[livejournal.com profile] tracy_loo_who: DKSLJFSA;KLSDJFSLKJF;LDKAJFDS
[livejournal.com profile] vichan: I TOLD YOU
[livejournal.com profile] tracy_loo_who: FDSKLAFJSDLKFJSL;KFAJDSK

FFF OKAY. UHM. THIS WAS CUTE. DOC TALKING ABOUT PHANTOM ITCHES AND SAM'N'DEAN IMMEDIATELY GETTING THEM, LOL.


NEVER STOP THREATENING LITTLE KIDS, DEAN. REALLY.


DEAN VS PART OF DEAD PIG IS V SRS BSNS.


DEAN DID A PIG, IT'S CANON. DEAN HAS A DEAD PIG FETISH, IT WOULD BE MY NEW OTP IF I DIDN'T ALREADY, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN OTP. LOLOLOL SAM'S EXPRESSION. LOLOL LAUGHING FOREVER. BUT ACTUALLY NO, THE LAUGHING FOREVER PART COMES LATER.


LITTLE DID I KNOW, SEEING THIS MOMENT FOR THE FIRST TIME, THAT IT WOULD LEAD TO ONE OF MY VERY FAVORITE OTP MOMENTS EVER SO PREEMPTIVE FJDSLKFJDSLKFJDSLKFJLSDKFJDLS HERE OMG DEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN. YOU KNOW WHO HE HAD IN MIND WHEN HE BOUGHT THIS. YOU KNOW. AND JFC HE LOOKS SO HAPPY FLKDSJF OH GOD DEAN I LOVE YOU SO SO SO HARD. AND AFTER SAM'S EYEROLL HE CONTINUES TO LOOK GLEEFUL AND DOES THIS LITTLE GLEEFUL NOD OF GLEEFUL GLEE. GLEEFULLY. BECAUSE. OMG DEAN IS THE BEST.


HAHAHHA SHOW TOOK ANOTHER DIG AT TWILIGHT. KISSING VAMPIRE MOVIES HAHAHAHHA ILU SHOW. AND DEAN SCARING THE SHIT OUT OF THE SHOP OWNER BY MELTING HIS RUBBER CHICKEN LOL. ANYWAY, HAVE SOME DEAN TONGUE:


Maybe it's just me, but there's just something so fond and soft about the way Dean looks at Sam sometimes. ♥ Uh, but, yeah, maybe it's just me.


UH, THIS DEAN FACE LOOKS LIKE IT HURTS. I WONDER HOW MANY TAKES OF IT HE HAD TO DO. SO ATTRACTIVE. His checking to make sure no one else was watching before he did it and his obvious reluctance is really endearing, though.


SO IS HIS ALMOST SORT OF SHYNESS ABOUT IT AFTERWARD. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, Dean.


DEAN IS ALL HUFFY ABOUT BEING TOLD HE HAS THE SENSE OF HUMOR OF A NINE YEAR OLD. HE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T-- fjdlksfjfjlkdsjfksldjf I CANNOT WAIT TO GET THERE OMG.


BUT FIRST, HOLY FETISH FJDLSFJDSKL MORE OF DEAN'S DEAD PIG FETISH. DEAN WANKING WHILE EATING DEAD PIG FJKLDSFJKLSD FFFFF WHAT IS IT WITH THIS SHOW, LOLOL. AND SAMMY, OMG POOR SAMMY. XDDDD FAVORITE SHOW EVER. But did that little kid really know so much about wanking? lol. -.-


UGH DEAN IS SO CUTE. SO SO SO CUTE. AND SAM'S BITCHFACE, HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.


So what happened to letting Sam hang on to the magic demon killing knife? Anyway, hand!porn! \o/


ILU BOTH SO HARD. THAT IS ALL.


ANTICHRIST EXPLAINING SOUP TO SAM LIKE HE ACTUALLY THINKS HE'S TELLING HIM SOMETHING USEFUL FJDKSLFJDSKLFJDSLK OMFG THIS KID IS CUTE. HE REMINDS ME OF HARRY POTTER. DIDN'T DAN RADCLIFFE LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER? AND I MEAN, SHIT BLOWS UP AND BURNS WHEN HE GETS ANGRY LATER, ALSO LIKE HARRY POTTER, AND HE CAN APPARATE, AND HE GETS DRAGGED UNWILLINGLY INTO THE MIDDLE OF A WAR BECAUSE OF HIS SPECIAL DESTINY, LOL.


LOL SO AT FIRST I THOUGHT THIS WAS A NIPPLE SHOCK, BUT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE HIGH? STILL, A+ EXPRESSIONS. XD AND ALL OF SAMMY'S BITCHFACES AFTERWARD, LOL. Although, Dean must've been really sure about that hunch, jeez. Even after he was wrong about the first kid hating his babysitter and the shop owner guy. :P


DEAN: ~WE NEED HELP~
SERIOUSLY, HOW OFTEN DOES DEAN ADMIT TO NEEDING HELP THAT ISN'T BOBBY'S? HE'S BECOME SO USED TO WORKING WITH CAS OVER THE PAST THREE MONTHS! SO USED TO TURNING TO HIM FOR HELP, SO USED TO KNOWING THAT CAS WILL SHOW UP WHENEVER HE NEEDS HIM. SO USED TO SEEING HIM AROUND! OMG BFFFFFF. AND CAAAAAAAS I MISSED YOU SO MUCH.



PUPPY ANGEL PUPPY ANGEL PUPPY ANGEL.


So, Castiel tells them to kill this little kid, and instead of getting all pissy and offensive and utterly prickly like he would have last season, Dean just goes, "Cas," with an incredulous, exasperated little frown, of the sort he would give to SOMEONE HE LOVES. Oh, OTP, how close and comfortable you've grown. ♥


CASTIEL: BEAUTIFUL AND V SRS BSNS ALL TALKING ABOUT THE ANTICHRIST AND SHIT.


JFKLDFJKLSDFJDLKSFJDLKSFJDSKLFJDSLKFJSDKLFJSDLK FUNNIEST SUPERNATURAL MOMENT EVER, AM I RIGHT OR AM I FUCKING RIGHT? OH GOD CASTIEL'S FACE THE MOMENT HE REALIZES HE'S BEEN PRANKED!
[livejournal.com profile] vichan: WHOOOOPIE CUSHION.
[livejournal.com profile] vichan: HE BOUGHT IT WITH CASTIEL IN MIND.
[livejournal.com profile] tracy_loo_who: BOUGHT IT FOR HIS BFF <3


AND DEAN WAS ALL HUFFY ABOUT SAM SAYING HE HAD THE SENSE OF HUMOR OF A NINE YEAR OLD. FDLSFJ OMFG DEAN YOU HAVE AN ANGEL BUDDY SO THE ONLY NATURAL COURSE OF ACTION IS TO PLAY FART JOKES ON HIM FJLSKDFJDKLS OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD I COULDN'T BREATHE FOR LIKE FIVE MINUTES AFTER THIS AND MISSED LIKE, THE ENTIRE REST OF THE SCENE WITH INTENSE LOOKS AND SHIT BUT FDFJDS LFSD HOW AM I MEANT TO TAKE ANYTHING SERIOUSLY AFTER THIS? THEIR FACES! LOOK AT THEIR FACES! CASTIEL ALL EMBARRASSED AND TRYING TO LOOK AWAY IN A DIGNIFIED MANNER AND SAM ALL GLARING AT DEAN AND DEAN! DEEEEEEAN OH GOD.



Misha said at some point that there was a scene they had to do like, a million takes of, because they just could not get through it without laughing every single time. There is NO DOUBT that it was this scene fkjdslfjdslkfjdslk CAN YOU GUYS IMAGINE HOW MANY OUTTAKES THERE WILL BE OF THIS ON THE GAG REEL? IT'LL BE LIKE, A WHOLE SERIES OF CAS!FARTS, ONE CLIP AFTER ANOTHER FJKDLSFJLDS BEST BEST BEST EVER. THAT WASN'T ME OMG CAS YOU ARE THE BEST ANGEL OF THE LORD THAT HAS EVER EXISTED. CRYING CRYING I LOVE THIS SHIP.


[livejournal.com profile] vichan: FART JOKES > POOP JOKES
[livejournal.com profile] tracy_loo_who: PRACTICAL FART JOKES >> FART JOKES > POOP JOKES
[livejournal.com profile] vichan: BUT THEY'RE ALL JOKES ABOUT DEAN AND CASTIEL'S ASSES.
[livejournal.com profile] vichan: DEAN'S SENSE OF HUMOR TOWARDS CAS IS VERY ASS RELATED. o.O


DEAN: WHO PUT THAT THERE? :D
CAS: I MAY LOOK UNAMUSED BUT ACTUALLY I ♥ YOU. LIKE, A LOT A LOT. AND I AM KEEPING THIS GIFT THAT YOU HAVE BOUGHT ME FOREVER. LITERALLY. SINCE I AM AN ANGEL OF THE LORD AND ALL. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥xINFINITY



ALSO
[livejournal.com profile] vichan: I HAVE A DESIRE NOW.
[livejournal.com profile] vichan: SEE, CASTIEL POCKETED THE WHOOPIE CUSHION AFTER HE SAT ON IT
[livejournal.com profile] vichan: HE'S GOING TO GET DEAN BACK.
[livejournal.com profile] vichan: HE'LL PUT IT IN THE IMPALA.
[livejournal.com profile] tracy_loo_who: FIC FIC FIC
[livejournal.com profile] tracy_loo_who: BUT THE THING IS
[livejournal.com profile] vichan: AND HE'LL BE COMPLETELY DEADPAN ABOUT IT.
[livejournal.com profile] tracy_loo_who: HE FORGETS IT'S THERE.
[livejournal.com profile] tracy_loo_who: SO WHEN THEY SHOVE EACH OTHER INTO THE CAR AND FALL ON TOP OF EACH OTHER IN A MAD FRENZIED PASSION
[livejournal.com profile] tracy_loo_who: ........
[livejournal.com profile] vichan: SKDLJASKLDJSAKL;
COME ON SURELY SOMEONE IS GOING TO WRITE THIS FOR US? PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE?

FJDSLKFJSDKL ANYWAY. YEAH, I HAD TO REWATCH THE REST OF THIS SCENE LIKE TEN TIMES BEFORE I EVEN UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS GOING ON. HAVE SOME GORGEOUS CASTIEL PROFILE AND EXASPERATION THAT THEIR BIBLE GETS MORE WRONG THAN IT DOES RIGHT. LOLOL HE SAYS IT LIKE IT'S THEIR FAULT. ILU, CAS, FARTS AND ALL.


I THINK HE SAID SOMETHING SRS BSNS HERE OR SOMETHING? I GOT EVEN MORE DISTRACTED THAN I ALREADY WAS.


PRETTY. Castiel imploring Dean to listen to him, awww, I feel like I should say something marginally less shallow but HE IMPLORES SO PRETTILY.


Dean would never even have considered what Castiel was saying before, but now? Yeah, he's fuckin' considering KILLING A KID, because of what Castiel said. (AND BECAUSE CASTIEL IMPLORES SO PRETTILY, AS PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED.)


Sam is all wtf at Dean actually considering it, and after he looks back to see that he doesn't have Dean's full support, he actually feels the need to stand up and use his height against Castiel.


HOLY SHIT THINGS JUST GOT INTENSE. NOT THAT I EVEN NOTICED THE FIRST FEW TIMES SINCE I WAS STILL CRYING WITH LAUGHTER. I STILL KIND OF WANT TO CRY BECAUSE JEEEEESUS, CASTIEL'S PROFILE WHILE BEING ALL BAMF AND STANDING UP TO CHALLENGE SAM.


Before this episode aired, I was so afraid that once Castiel said they had to kill Jesse, it was gonna be Winchesters vs Castiel again, but Dean didn't take Sam's side (look at Sam's wtf face) even though he obviously also abhorred the idea of killing a kid. Because he put himself in Castiel's shoes and looked at it from his POV too. Because he has so much respect for him! He compromised! Tried to ease the tension between Sam and Castiel! BECAUSE HE LOVES THEM BOTH and cannot stand to see them so at odds with each other. OMG I love Dean. SO MUCH.


And Castiel! From glaring at Sam all hardass and shit, to looking at Dean with so much less antagonism. He's willing to listen to Dean just as Dean is willing to listen to him. Oh, OTP. My heart belongs to you so hard.



There's a moment here, after Sam insists that Jesse might make the right choice, and it's actually quite a long, drawn out moment, where Castiel wants to believe him. He looks almost sorry that he can't. FFFFF, I am loving this Sam and Castiel tension. I've wanted to see them interact more for ages, and now they're finally starting to, and it makes sense that there'll be tension, just like there was tension between Dean and Castiel in the beginning. I hope they work through it and become friends too!


So, I'll admit to not really liking Castiel's hypocrisy here. First he wants Sam to kill the kid and his argument is that Sam "would've done whatever it took to win this war" a year ago, and now he's blaming Sam for not making the right choice, i.e. compromising his humanity and conscience. Which is what he wants Sam to do again. :P Hahha I can hear the Cas-haters ripping into him about this already, but whatever. They can have this one maybe-valid point, I still love this angel to fucking bits and will chalk this up to Cas just being really confused too and lashing out at Sam like he lashed out at Dean in 5x02 because he needs to make a point and get his way, i.e. convince them to kill Jesse. He's still so new to this deciding what's right and what's wrong for himself thing, poor dear. ♥


Intense Sammy is intense! I feel for him, though, again going back to that hypocrisy on Castiel's part. Between Dean in the past few episodes and Castiel now, he's gotta be feeling so defensive.


Dean just looks down and purses his lips and again, DOESN'T TAKE A SIDE AGAINST EITHER OF THESE TWO PEOPLE HE CARES ABOUT SO MUCH. I just. reallyreallyreally love him. ♥


So, this is Ruby's knife, right? Not Castiel's angel-killing one? The knife that we last saw on Dean's person as they were walking up to Jesse's house? I don't think even Castiel could have stolen it while Dean was wearing the thing, so.. that leaves me to conclude that Castiel came to Dean privately and Dean gave it to him..? I mean, that's EPIC, OTP-wise, but I also can't decide if that's in character for Dean. I mean, would he have agreed to kill Jesse earlier if Sam hadn't been so against it and it would've meant taking Castiel's side against him? I can't really see Dean doing that. IDK. Maybe he did steal it after all. DISCUSS.


Castiel, Castiel, having a heart hurts, doesn't it? :( *hugs* (But wow, way to be convincing with the "I won't hurt you." :P)


I WANT AN ACTION FIGURE OF CASTIEL SO BADLY OMFG. ALSO, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S MADE OF PLASTIC? IDK. ANYWAY, TOO BAD IT DOESN'T REALLY LOOK LIKE HIM. STILL. MISHA MUST'VE GOTTEN SUCH A HUGE KICK OUT OF THIS. XD


DEAN HOLDS HIM SO GENTLY AND IS SO WORRIED FJKSLDFJKSDLFJSDKLFJS AWWWWWWW. ALSO, HIS THUMB IS TOTALLY ON CASTIEL'S CROTCH.


DEAN CANNOT EVEN WALK AROUND WITH CAS IN HIS HAND WITHOUT BEING SO TERRIFIED OF DROPPING HIM THAT HE HAS TO CUP HIS OTHER HAND UNDERNEATH, CONSTANTLY READY TO CATCH HIM. ♥


AND HE KNOWS HE HAS TO PUT CASTIEL ON THE MANTLE BECAUSE HE'S SAFEST THERE, BUT STILL, HE TOTALLY PAUSES RELUCTANTLY BEFORE ACTUALLY DOING IT BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO LET HIM GO, EITHER. AND HE KEEPS LOOKING BACK AT CAS ON THE MANTLE AFTERWARD, LIKE HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE HE'S STILL THERE AND STILL SAFE. PLEASE NOTICE THAT HIS THUMB IS STILL ON CASTIEL'S CROTCH. NO ONE CAN CONVINCE ME THAT THE PLASTIC!PORN I WROTE ABOUT THIS SCENE IS NOT CANON. \O/


Jesse asks if Castiel is Dean's friend, and Dean denies it, but HE IS SO OBVIOUSLY LYING because they need the kid to trust them. Still, he looks pretty unhappy with little Antichrist at the moment, wouldn't you say?


"Because I have to believe someone can make the right choice, even if I couldn't." fjklds;ajflkdfj oh my god Sammy you make me want to tear up and hug you forever. D:


So, [livejournal.com profile] vichan pointed this out, and I half agree -- it's kind of hypocritical for Dean to be all "you're awesome" at Jesse using his demon powers (and wanting to train him up, too) when he was so against Sam using his, but on the other hand, Jesse was never meant to be human and Sam was. Does that make big enough of a difference to excuse Dean's double standard?


First thing Dean does once he can move again? MAKES A BEELINE FOR CAS WHO IS FACE DOWN ON THE FLOOR. ♥ And sure, he's distracted for a moment by Jesse asking if his mother's going to be okay, but it doesn't distract him for long. And even though he knows now that Cas won't break even if he is dropped, he still can't stand leaving on the floor for a moment longer than he has to. OTP, RIGHT?


LOOK, UH, TRUTH IS, HE'S KIND OF A ~*~BUDDY OF MINE~*~. WHO I PLAY FART JOKES ON. BECAUSE I LOVE HIM. SO PLEASE TURN HIM BACK, HE'S A GOOD GUY. I MISS MY BFF. REALLY, DEAN, NEVER EVER CHANGE.


AND WHEN JESSE WON'T DO IT HE'S ALL "WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT LATER" BECAUSE OF COURSE HE CAN'T JUST LET THE ISSUE DROP. AND HE IS AGAIN SO RELUCTANT TO LEAVE CASTIEL ON THE MANTLE, AND AFTER HE SETS HIM DOWN HE PAUSES WITH HIS HAND HOVERING OVER HIM LIKE HE'S STILL TERRIFIED CASTIEL'S GONNA FALL. EVEN THOUGH HE KNOWS HE WON'T BREAK. SIGH, MY HEART.


I love that Sam doesn't lie to Jesse about the fact that some people will think he's a freak. Jesus, though, poor fucking kid. D: I also love that Dean is still standing guard by Castiel. ♥


Sam, by contrast, is MUCH less gentle with Castiel. He actually sort of slams him down in annoyance, as opposed to Dean's utterly gentle setting him down both times. Pffft. :P I like to think Dean comes over to remind him that Jesse's been up there for a long time at this moment because Sam inspecting Cas makes him nervous/restless and he wants to make him stop without actually telling him to stop. The way Sam glances at Dean almost like he's been caught doing something he shouldn't be doing supports this theory. \o/


DEAN IS SO SECRETLY HAPPY AND RELIEVED THAT CAS IS BACK. ♥ HE EVEN EYES HIM UP AND DOWN TO MAKE SURE! LOL ILU DEAN.


GRATUITOUS CAS FACES OF EXCESSIVE PRETTINESS. ♥ Really, though, I think it says a lot that he doesn't seem at all upset with the boys for not killing Jesse and letting him escape. This angel's heart is growing bigger because of them right before our eyes. ♥




And some Sam'n'Dean faces before we sign off for the hiatus. It breaks my heart that Dean is just so bone-tired of all of this Supernatural shit. Sammy wasn't the only one who wanted a normal life. :(


BUT REALLY, HOW CAN I BE ALL :( WHEN OUR OTP HAS BFF FART PRANKS? JFKLDSJFLSKDFJSDKL STILL NOT DONE DYING OF LAUGHTER AND GLEE OVER THAT OMGGG MUST GO WATCH A MILLION MORE TIMES BAIII.
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Date: 2009-10-16 07:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nanashi-o.livejournal.com
Gleeeeeeeeeeee!!!! Sorry, I really shouldn't still be here, but here I am XD recap!! Screencaps! Such fantastic 'caps, yepyep. Much love for you and your cap-ness. Hee, I was hoping you'd get one of Dean and his awesome face-making skills, and there he is. You're awesome, yepyep.

Yeeeeee... great episode, Jesse was adorable, Sam was lovable, Dean was... hoplessly fun and endearing and sweet; and Castiel, awww, my heart, he owns my heart, he does. Just, the whole episode made me go "guh." =3

Date: 2009-10-16 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
Hee, glad you enjoyed this! :D

I loved everyone in this episode. ♥ Sam for his honesty and getting better, Dean for his nine-year-old sense of humor, and Castiel just for being Castiel. ♥

Date: 2009-10-16 07:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacemonkey-699.livejournal.com
DEAN/PLASTIC!CAS IS CANON.

I'm about to watch the ep. Stupid people coming by and stopping me.

Date: 2009-10-16 08:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
IT SO IS.

HOPE YOU LIKE THE EP, BB.

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Date: 2009-10-16 08:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
AWW, THANK YOU!

So, phone!sex with Cas WHILE telling him about his ham fetish WHILE wanking. Mmmm, yes.

THEIR BFFERY IS EVEN MORE VALIDATED NOW THAT DEAN HAS PRANKED HIM. ♥!

Dude, I LOVED the kid, he was so cute, awwwwwwwww.

I think he agreed with Cas's reasoning, but I don't think he would've done it anyway. Dean simply can't, I think. Last season was all about Sam being able to make the inhumane choices like that and Dean not, so I can't see that changing, really.
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Date: 2009-10-16 08:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thevinegarworks.livejournal.com
EPIC. EPIC EPISODE. EPIC BFFERY. EPIC OTP. EPIC SHOW.

I DON'T THINK I EVEN HAVE THE PHYSICAL CAPACITY TO LOVE THESE BOYS ANY MORE THAN I ACTUALLY DO. ♥

it's kind of hypocritical for Dean to be all "you're awesome" at Jesse using his demon powers (and wanting to train him up, too) when he was so against Sam using his, but on the other hand, Jesse was never meant to be human and Sam was. Does that make big enough of a difference to excuse Dean's double standard?

I think this was a case of context - Dean mentioned something before about how they could take the wee!Antichrist to Bobby's and "raise him right," basically, in other worse to attune his powers in a good light instead of the training he would get from the demons. I don't think it's necessarily a case of using "demon powers" as it is just using "powers" in general - not only because Jesse's are not a choice, as Sam's were, but also because if they raise him with finely-tuned powers to fight evil (lol dramatic), it would help them immensely. Whereas, if the demons got a hold of him, they would approach the same powers but from a very different standpoint, using them for evil. If the Winchesters took him in, though, his powers would be used for good. Idk, that's the way I saw it. It doesn't seem so double standard-ish that way. *shrug*

And oh, Caaaaaaas, bb Ilu never change ever. Even when he was a total creeper and cornering Jesse a la trenchcoated child molester, he was still just so lovable. The pain and guilt on his face! He was obviously so conflicted about killing a child, and that just...gah. That shows so much of his character, and how far he's come, and FFFFF HE'S LIKE OUR VERY OWN LITTLE TIN MAN, GROWING A HEART OF HIS VERY OWN. ♥

But most importantly: FART JOKES. BRB DYING OF HAPPY.

Date: 2009-10-16 09:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
I DON'T THINK I EVEN HAVE THE PHYSICAL CAPACITY TO LOVE THESE BOYS ANY MORE THAN I ACTUALLY DO. ♥

YEAH, I ALWAYS THINK THIS TOO, AND THEN ANOTHER EPISODE WILL AIR AND I WILL. OH MY GOD WHAT IS THIS SHOW DOING TO ME? T_T

Hmm, I really love the point you've made about it being a matter of choice for Sam but not for Jesse. And also, Sam had to kill a woman for his mojo in Lucifer Rising, which makes a huge, huge difference, whereas Jesse will have those powers no matter what. So in that sense I agree with you. But if Sam could have powers even without hurting anyone, and he used them for good like he tried so hard to do and like Dean wanted to train Jesse to do, Dean still wouldn't be on board with that, I think? He'd still be all "omg I'd wanna hunt you" whereas Jesse clearly is already and will always be a supernatural being and Dean doesn't wanna hunt him. Or maybe he kind of does want to, but wouldn't be able to bring himself to do it until Jesse actually showed some signs of being evil. Probably I'm just talking in circles. Mostly I agree with you. :D

Yeeeah, I don't necessarily agree with some of the things Castiel did in this episode, but I feel for him so much. If anyone's allowed to make mistakes, it's him, since his world's been turned upside down more than anyone's. DEAN'S VERY OWN LITTLE TIN MAN, AWWWWWWWWWWW, I JUST WANT DEAN TO HOLD HIM FOREVER, REALLY.

THE MOST IMPORTANT PART WAS TOTALLY THE FART JOKES, YESSSS. XD

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Date: 2009-10-16 08:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shirozora.livejournal.com
This is awesome. You are awesome. Totally made my otherwise confused and somewhat gloomy evening.

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Date: 2009-10-16 09:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
Aww, hello, I'm glad this cheered you up! :D

P.S. I feel like I recognize your name from [livejournal.com profile] rahmbamarama.

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Date: 2009-10-16 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amechiro.livejournal.com
Gotta say I wasn't mad about Castiel mouthing off at Sam. Not because I think he was right to do so but because I am belatedly recognizing this as a personality trait or flaw that comes out when he's at his wits' end - either triggered by anger, frustration or confusion - first on 4.02 when he threatened to send Dean to Hell, then at 4.16 when he told Anna he wasn't nothing like her, (maybe) at the end of 4.20 with the 'I serve Heaven' line and of course 5.02 and this week's episode... he lashes out to protect himself and the unfeeling soldier mask he's been wearing since he started to doubt. He just goes for the troath when something hits too close to comfort, you know? - but, to be honest, I kinda like that, it makes him even more interesting imo. (Besides, him trying to make the brothers understand his point of view (especially when he himself wasn't eager to kill Jesse)? I wanted to hug him. Angel boy was so desperate.)

In short, I loved this episode; Dean was so happy with all the pranking around, lololol \o/ And Sam was kickass too! I loved him a bit more this week :')

P.S.: Just so you know I sleep a little better after seeing you fangirling. It's an universe law, even, that your posts are to the episodes what cuddling is to Dean/Castiel ~*sexy times*~ \o/

Date: 2009-10-16 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
Right, I've just watched that scene about ten more times, and I definitely agree that it was lashing out, trying to hit where he knows it would hurt and not worrying too much about staying consistent. He just needed to be right so badly and so urgently, and who wouldn't lash out when he's backed into a corner? It's such a human thing to do, which is exciting to see. I kept thinking back to the way he lashed out at Dean in 5x02, but you're right, it actually does go back way before that, even. Awww. It's alright, I can forgive his flaws. ♥

Sam was AWESOME this week, so much character growth. And Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeean, pranking Cas. *DRAWS HEARTS ALL OVER EVERYTHING*

your posts are to the episodes what cuddling is to Dean/Castiel ~*sexy times*~

fjkdslfjslkdfjs THIS MAKES ME GLEEFUL LIKE YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE. GLEEFUL LIKE DEAN IS GLEEFUL AT THE PROSPECT OF PRANKING CAS. Ilu. ♥!

Date: 2009-10-16 09:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oh-whimsical.livejournal.com
The whoopie cushion scene nearly killed me. My friend was over, and we both made this face: O_O which was then followed by hysterical laughter. We missed everything after that, too, and fifteen minutes later we were still talking about how we DID. NOT. SEE. THAT. COMING. AT. ALL. "That wasn't me." Oh, Misha, I love you.

Dean + Cas = most epic of all epic ships.

Date: 2009-10-16 09:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
CASTIEL'S FACE DURING THAT SCENE, AND HIS DEADPAN DELIVERY, OH GOD TOTALLY THE MOST AMAZING MOMENT OF THE EPISODE.

And of course Dean/Castiel is the most epic of all epic ships, sometimes I still can't believe they exist.

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Date: 2009-10-16 09:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogueslayer452.livejournal.com
THIS SHOW. THIS OTP. I JUST, I CAN'T EVEN CONVEY HOW MUCH I ABSOLUTELY FUCKING LOVE THEM. ♥ ♥ ♥

I never laughed so hard with the whoopi-cushion scene, I swear to God. And the fact that Dean actually was probably planning to use it, if not on Sammy than on Castiel at some point, just makes the entire scene much more lovable and adorable and hysterical. MISHA'S DELIVERY OF "THAT WASN'T ME" AND HIM PULLING OUT THE WHOOPI-CUSHION FROM UNDERNEATH HIM, OMG PRICELESS. I WANT OUTTAKES OF THIS. THERE BETTER BE! Also, the fact that Castiel doesn't even question because he knows that Dean did it but doesn't really say anything, I am just in love.

You know, I don't really have much of a problem with what Castiel said to Sam because I understand both sides of the argument. Castiel is acting purely on survival instinct, but he's also learning about humanity at the same time. There's clear conflict when he's confronting Jesse, saying "I'm sorry" and I believe he truly meant it. He didn't want to do it, but knowing the dire consequences if nothing is done he had to. But his emotions, oh God, love it. With Sam it's clear that Castiel pushed that button which will definitely give a heated rise from fandom, but it's also true that Sam didn't make the right choices even though he should have known better. But in terms of Jesse, he's just a kid. A kid that doesn't understand what is happening to him, what he is and what he can do, and there is a chance for him to make that choice now before it's too late.

So, I don't have any problems with that scene. I loved the intensity and the tension between them, and how poor Dean is caught in the middle. Not choosing sides, and that is just, omg, I loved that. Dean looked so pained that the two people he loves and cares about are fighting. Awww, Dean.

CASTIEL AS AN ACTION FIGURE. CASTIEL THE ACTION FIGURE. DEAN TOUCHING ~*~AFFECTIONATELY~*~ AND ~*~CAREFULLY~*~ AT HIM, OMG. THAT WILL NEVER NOT BE SO UTTERLY PRECIOUS. ♥

I kinda adored Jesse. He's too adorable (AND YOU'RE RIGHT, HE'S TOTES LIKE HARRY POTTER HERE, OMGWHUT!) and so cute and I loved that all these emotions he's going through, from finding out the truth from the lies, and then actually making the demon disappear from his bio-mother like that, holy shit. That was awesome. The heart-to-heart talk between him and Sam about powers and choices and all that, best thing ever. I felt bad for him though, with everything he's going through. Finding out what he is and what he can do? My God, the poor dear. ;___;

The ending with Castiel and Dean and Sam, yeah. Castiel is learning about the strength of humanity, and that sometimes you do have to take that chance that one can fight against their so-called destiny. Aww, Castiel.

Okay, this is becoming rambly now so YAY CAPSLOCK DEAN/CASTIEL ARE LOVE AND THE PRANKING FARTS AND ACTION FIGURES AND OMG YAYNESS! \O/

Date: 2009-10-16 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
Jesus, sometimes I see these two and I just want to BREAK MYSELF over them because I cannot stand how utterly spectacular it all is.

[livejournal.com profile] vichan told me before I'd even seen the episode that there was going to be a moment that would make me laugh so hard I wouldn't be able to concentrate on the rest of the scene, and I was all, "whatever, I'll get over it" but then THAT happened and NOT EVEN INTENSE CASTIEL STARES COULD MAKE ME STOP CRYING OF LULZ. I think Dean totally planned to use it on Castiel, since Sam saw him buy it and his grin at the time seemed gleefully conspiratorial? XD Anyway, I AM SURE THERE WILL BE A MILLION OUTTAKES FROM THIS, AND MISHA TRYING TO SAY "THAT WASN'T ME" OVER AND OVER AGAIN BUT CRACKING UP EVERY TIME. I JUST KNOW IT. THE FACT THAT HE MANAGED TO PULL IT OFF WITH A STRAIGHT FACE EVEN ONCE IS AMAZING TO ME. Castiel probably didn't question it because after three months with Dean? Come on, that can't have been the first prank, surely? Omg I WANNA SEE CAS PRANK HIM BACK SO HARD. I MEAN, HE'S AN ANGEL, THERE IS SO MUCH HE COULD DO!

Of course Castiel was really sorry, poor angel. So conflicted and still trying to stand on his own two feet and keep his head above the water. It's hardly surprising that he's still struggling with moral issues. He and Sam both had very valid things to say, and they were both right in their own way. I think that also contributed to Dean being torn between them. :( Really, though, must reiterate -- SO RELIEVED he didn't automatically take Sam's side just because he's Sam. Dean really is growing up. ♥

I SHIP DEAN/AF!CASTIEL. I MEAN, I SHIP THE TWO OF THEM IN ANY AND ALL FORMS, BUT. THIS ONE ESPECIALLY.

Also loved Jesse, SO HARD. And jesus, I felt terrible for him, poor kid! And he seems to be all alone, too, even Harry had friends.. :(

that sometimes you do have to take that chance that one can fight against their so-called destiny

After Castiel's disenchantment with Dean for failing to stop the apocalypse, what I really really really want to see is him finding some of that faith in humanity again. Please, this.

PRANKING WAS TOTALLY THE BEST. SO OTP, OMG.

Date: 2009-10-16 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reveria.livejournal.com
LOL so, you got any volunteers for the Impala whoopie cushion fic yet? Cause I'd totally write that ^^

Date: 2009-10-16 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
Eeeeeeeeeeee, really? Go for it! :D :D :D

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Date: 2009-10-16 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elvisglasses5.livejournal.com
I love reading your reaction posts, and not just b/c of the pretty, pretty pictures. Your enthusiasm is infectious and has made me reconsider my initial reaction to the ep last night: "meh". I def. loved the little boy, and the mom/demon, and Cas. But I mcuh prefer seeing an evolved Dean (the one from 4.22 and 5.04) who is becoming a real LEADER and integrated human being vs. a devolved Dean who eats to much, is a horndog, has potty-humor-brain like the last two eps. I mean, I know those traits are DEAN, as much of him as the strategic thinker, the protector of kids, the self-doubting man (who happens to be loved by a male angel, but I digress) who went through 40 yrs of hell -- not to mention a truly shitty childhood ... all that is Dean, but I feel like it's the mofo apocalypse and this ep -- except for the anti-christ -- was Dean dicking around. I know every ep can't be Fighting the Apocalypse!! b/c that would get old too, but this just felt -- character-wise like a bit of a regression.

Sorry, just realized I'm babbling in your comments and you really LIKED the ep. I liked your squee and it's making me look at some of those things I disliked (on first viewing) and want to see it again (after downloading) to see if I change my mind.

Bottom line: TOTAL OTP. Even plasticness couldn't change that, as you have shown with photographic evidence. : )

Sorry for the long comment! Shd not try to do this in the a.m. when I should be getting ready for work. : )

Date: 2009-10-16 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
Yeah, I think these particular writers are generally better at writing Sam, character-wise, and have a tendency to make Dean funny but shallow. On the other hand, I can see him doing the funny/shallow thing on purpose because he and Sam are still in the process of starting anew and he just wants it to be fun because that's how they bond, by having fun. Last season was no fun, and look what happened. I think he's serious enough when he needs to be, except for that whoopie cushion thing, lol, which he put there before he found out about the Antichrist.

It's alright, I love discussing and debating it! And I'm glad my squee makes you like the episode more, heee.

Now I kind of want them both to be plastic so they can have plastic love. ♥

Long comments are just fine!

Date: 2009-10-16 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lamingtonqueen.livejournal.com
I kinda liked the Castiel/Sam part. I sort of saw it more like, in season 4 he doesn't hate Sam at all - he does want him to do the right thing and he is disappointed in him when he doesn't (see The Rapture when Sam's all drinking demon blood and Castiel shakes his little girl head). In season 5, when he's asking about Sam, it's not so much about Sam himself as it is Dean-without-Sam. I thought, "BUT YOU DIDN'T" was anger but more like he let them down. Castiel believed that Dean would stop Sam and he believed, like Dean, that Sam would do the right thing. So, in a way, he let them both down. If that makes any sense...

It was kinda good, too, in a way, because Sam is big on the giving speeches about doing the right thing and choosing not to be evil, but when push came to shove, he failed the test. I hope this helps him really see that and he does better from now on. I hope Castiel and Sam become best friends too, just like him and Dean :D

Date: 2009-10-16 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
Right, I agree, he doesn't seem to actually dislike Sam, but at the same time he hasn't quite forgiven him yet, either. This just seemed like a lot of lashing out on Castiel's part because he was desperate to convince them they needed to kill Jesse, which is understandable.

I think Sam did actually take his words to heart, if his later actions are anything to go by. Eeee, I ♥ Sam.

Date: 2009-10-16 11:41 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] goth-clark.livejournal.com
I heard that people were all up in arms about EVIL Castiel because he wanted to kill the kid, but seriously. He is so far from evil, it's not funny. He's scared and has no guidance. He's just learning how to make his own choices and he probably made the choice he thought he should. The kid is the ANTI-CHRIST hello! No matter how cute he was. And it didn't exactly turn out all fine because he's still the same danger he was before. Anyway, it's so complex and too bad everyone doesn't see that because Castiel is becoming so complex with each episode.

Just so you know, I will never think Sam/Castiel is better than Dean/Castiel, but a little dalliance once in awhile is fun.

Date: 2009-10-16 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oh-whimsical.livejournal.com
I agree with you on this completely. Though he was entirely insistent that they kill Jesse, you could still sense that he was hesitant and afraid. Even when he was approaching Jesse, you could see the regret written all over his face, and the "I'm sorry" says it all.

Cas has ALWAYS done what he believes to be right and sometimes, what he believes is right doesn't necessarily coincide with what others believe. He is always seeking the path of truth, and you can see that happen all throughout season four and up to now. Evil!Cas does not exist, it's all Pure!With-a-little-bit-of-let's-get-naughty-with-Dean!Cas.

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Date: 2009-10-16 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] riahpariah0725.livejournal.com
Loved Cas. Of course I did. How could I not? But I feel like he was just a plot device, not a character in this episode.

ASIDE from the Sam vs Cas thing. THAT was good. And I totally expected Cas to get a Dean!smackdown when he got all up in Sammy's grill, but nope. Dean did not defend Sam. I was SHOCKED and intrigued. *reads into things LIEK SO MUCH*

I didn't like this ep so much. Yes, fart joke was AMAZINGLY FUNNY. But eh on the rest of it. Funny, but out of place.

Date: 2009-10-16 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
He was definitely a plot device, but I think there was some real character development too, what with him being so wrecked when he tried to kill Jesse and then being more or less okay with the fact that he got away in the end.

I think Dean actually agreed with both of them, and plus he obviously cares about both of them, so.. I'm glad he didn't choose a side. :)

The fart joke kind of ECLIPSED ALL ELSE for me, lol.

Date: 2009-10-16 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harper47.livejournal.com
The tracy picspam of awesomeness. Thanks for getting it up so quickly so we can all dwell in our lovely ship moments.

I honestly had no problems at all with Cas' behavior in this episode and I find everyone's shocked reaction to wanting to kill Jesse interesting. I guess this generation hasn't had a big kid killer movie but I grew up having seen The Omen and Village of the Dammed and whatever movie that McCauley Calkin went killer in and while little kids can be cute, a kid with this much power? I was totally on Cas' side here.

And I really had no problem with the Sam interaction. I loved seeing it because I have wanted to see them interact and I think Cas is acting totally in character. He has been an angel for millenium, a rogue angel for what? A few months? Making the right decision, alone, without anyone to talk things over with has to be so hard.

My heart aches for Castiel. He's so alone. He doesn't even really have Dean like we all wish he did. I mean he's not riding in the back seat of the Impala, he's just flitting in and flitting out like I feared would happen. He's just out there all alone. No angelic host, no place to rest, no home. Where does he even go? What does he do all alone? I just ache for him.

Anyway, I enjoyed this much more than last week. The jokes were better. The whole concept of such a powerful being was a bad idea overall I think simply because he's like Q. You can't stop the Q, you can't stop the antichrist. He will do what he wants. So we have lame Australia whisking and more yellow crayon speeching but I do think the writers did a better job in Sam's redemption arc this week. He came across softer and less holier than thou and I liked him far better.

Again, thanks for the lovely, lovely picspam. Off to read it again.

Date: 2009-10-16 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
I dunno about everyone else since I haven't read the Cas-hating reviews of this ep, but I was a little sad that Castiel wanted to kill the kid not because he was a cute little kid, but because it stemmed from Castiel's loss of faith in humanity due to Sam (and Dean, too, maybe). I want him to have that faith back, and I think that was starting to happen by the end, so I'm actually pleased there was that contrast between the Castiel who tried to kill Jesse and the Castiel who didn't seem upset that he got away.

Castiel and Sam were both right, as far as I'm concerned. It's delicious to see that friction between them now, as well as Castiel's confusion and Sam's struggles to find his way back, and I hope they'll work through their issues soon.

I ache for Castiel too. :( I gotta assume that when he's not when Dean he's searching for God? I hope they address that at some point. But really, I can't see him hanging out in the motel while they're sleeping anyway, or riding in the back of the car when he doesn't need to. It's obvious from the way Dean's warmed up to him that he still gets to see him quite often.

Yeeeah, I was also uncomfortable with the whole "he can destroy the whole host of Heaven with one word" thing, because I don't think even Lucifer can do that? IDK, hahhaha your Q analogy makes me laugh, though.

I LOVED SAM in this episode, so much. ♥

Glad you liked the picspam!

Date: 2009-10-16 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ran-cl.livejournal.com
*~CAS IS SO SECRETLY KEEPING THE WHOOPIE CUSHION AS SOUVENIR~*

BUDDY OF MINE BUDDY OF MINE BUDDY OF MINE

AND THUMB!CROTCH ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

DEAN/CAS SI SO SO SO CANON.

AND THE KID WAS CUTE <3 LOVE CREEPY KID.

Date: 2009-10-16 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
I BET HE KEEPS EVERYTHING DEAN EVER GIVES HIM, AND THEY'RE ALL IN THAT COAT OF HIS, HEEE.

SO BFF. AND SO COMFORTABLE WITH EACH OTHER DEAN HAS NO PROBLEM WITH MOLESTING TOYCAS. XD

Date: 2009-10-16 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thedogstarlives.livejournal.com
Now that you have done a shippy recap and assuaged my Winchesters vs Cas fears, I can actually watch the ep! Thank you, I wasn't looking forward to the dilemma I'd have been facing all day if I hadn't seen this!

In other news, I found a song the other day that I was like "OMG THIS IS SO PERFECT FOR HOW INESCAPABLY CAS IS DRAWN TO DEAN!" and then I didn't have anyone to share it with. So here, a shippy gift, from me to you: http://www.lyricsreg.com/lyrics/florence+and+the+machine/Drumming+Song/

Date: 2009-10-16 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
Hahha, I hope you enjoy the episode, spoiled as you are now!

Awww, you're right, this song is SO CAS. All of it fits well, but I especially love this bit, for some reason:

But as the water fills my mouth
It couldn't wash the echoes out


It's kind of like Cas getting dragged to Bible camp but it still doesn't wash Dean away. ♥

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Date: 2009-10-16 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ibroketuesday.livejournal.com
First he wants Sam to kill the kid and his argument is that Sam "would've done whatever it took to win this war" a year ago, and now he's blaming Sam for not making the right choice, i.e. compromising his humanity and conscience.

Oh yes, I thought about this too. A year ago, Sam was willing to do whatever it took, and that's what led him down such a dark path. Now Castiel is saying the fact that he's changed is a bad thing? Bzuh?

Date: 2009-10-16 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
Hahha, confused angel is so confused. :( But hey, he's allowed to have his flaws, I can forgive those.

Date: 2009-10-16 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emptyheaven.livejournal.com
Oh my god. OH MY GOD!!

I fucking forgot Supernatural!! HOW THE HELL DID I DO THAT!?!??

*FLAILS*

Date: 2009-10-16 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
HEATHEN.

Date: 2009-10-16 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commodoresexual.livejournal.com
I had this big angry post about how the whole 'it's not Cas's fault the world ended!', but after three times of trying to post it - I get it. The awesomeness of our ship will not let me speak in anger.

So let me talk about love.

Love that Dean would PULL a JOKE on THE ANGEL. Because they're not friends, they're buddies, best buddies who do awesome things together like go to whorehouses and fail to get whores or fix each other's clothing or give each other faith when they need it. Dean cares enough to pull a stupid joke on an angel! Cas care enough to just give him this look of, 'You know I know you so well that I know it's you, right?'

And Sammy, I love you Sam. 'I need to know someone can make the right choice.' YOU DID. YOU SAVED JESSE. It will not come around and bite you in the ass - Jesse is going to grow up awesome because you took a chance and had faith and God's going to give you a pat on the head and a cookie and you will be BFF's with Cas, because he's gonna get his faith in humanity back from you coming from the edge and his epic quest to find God is going to give you faith back in angels and light and goodness and you will so be the best man at their wedding!

...except that all happened in my head and not in real life, but yeah. I want to say this is the beginning of The Mighty Three - best team ever. *crosses fingers* C'mon, Kripke. The next two episodes are going to be Castiel-free. Give Me The Bonding.

Date: 2009-10-16 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
LOL! It's a sign from above (read: our ship) indeed. ♥

That little whoopie cushion thing was, while exceedingly funny, also intensely lovey from a shippy BFF perspective. It just says SO MUCH about their relationship and how close and comfortable they've grown that Dean would prank him and Castiel would just give him a look. Makes me wonder if he's used to being pranked, actually. XD

Sam totally made the right choice here, and I think Castiel was beginning to see that, in the end. YOUR VERSION OF HOW EVERYTHING WILL GO IS MY FAVORITE. YES TO ALL OF IT. Especially the wedding!

Are the next two episodes really gonna be Cas free? Wah. And after a hiatus, too. D:
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Date: 2009-10-16 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
I ALSO HATE WHEN WORK GETS IN THE WAY OF FANDOM AND GIGGLING LIKE A LOON. SIGH.
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Date: 2009-10-16 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafleurdumal-gs.livejournal.com
Loved the picspam! It is now the first thing I look for after watching an episode because I miss so many little things.

About what you said about Castiel's hypocrisy (you got me thinking about that), maybe Castiel is just calling on Sam's hypocrisy, because it is true that a few months ago Sam's view on what was right or wrong was more than a little screwed up... So to hear him talking like that about being the good guys (like it is obvious), I think it just pissed Cas off and that he didn't mean that he should do whatever it takes now, it was just to knock him a peg.
I hope that was somewhat coherent.

Date: 2009-10-16 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
Aww, I'm flattered you enjoy them so much! \o/

That's an awesome point, oooh, about Sam's hypocrisy in talking like he's obviously one of the good guys. Poor Sam, though, he tries so hard to be. I can see where both of them are coming from, and I think they were both right. Castiel had good points to make even if he was so obviously just lashing out and trying to hit where it hurt.

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Date: 2009-10-16 03:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] danse-amore.livejournal.com
Re: Cas being a hypocrite.

Heeere's the thing I was thinking about a lot.

Last episode Dean was all, "Who could've known that killing Lillith would be a bad thing?" and I was like, YES THANK YOU YOU WANTED TO KILL HER AS WELL. But the thing is, Castiel did know. And he almost told Dean (that's what I interpret his "I have to tell you something" dream-scene as). And I feel:

1) He's learning how to feel, and one of the things he can feel now is guilt. And I bet he has a lot of guilt stored up about not telling Dean when he could have, before he got hauled back to heaven.

2) When you know something is true, and someone else doesn't, all the clues to how it's true are a million times clearer to you than they are to them. So, like, I bet Cas was watching them, praying that they pick up on the hints that Ruby was double-crossing them, that Lillith was the final seal, etc. And they just didn't, again and again and again. And so he's really, really frustrated with them, feeling a bit like, "You should have known." Which then loads his "You didn't [make the right choice]" with a lot more emotion, a lot more FAILURE on Sam's part than what would be there normally.

3) Lastly, I think he's very, very defensive about the fact that he did make the right choice. Him, an angel of the Lord, who hasn't really ever made a choice in his life, was faced with a monumental, impossible one, and he chose right, because he chose Dean. Sam didn't make the right choice, and he also didn't choose Dean. Which leads me to my last point:

4) Castiel knows Dean. Whatever happened in hell, Castiel looked at his soul and his soul looked back. The handprint, for me, proves their connection - a bit of Dean burned off into Castiel. And Castiel has always had an impossible understanding of Dean ("You don't think you deserve to be saved"), and although this has never really been established it's part of my personal canon that he can feel Dean's emotions, at least on some level. And right now, even though things are getting better between them, Dean is feeling really fucking betrayed by Sam. Not only because he started the apocalypse, chose Ruby over him, but because he knows in at least one future Sam says yes to Lucifer. And he's pushing down all that betrayal because he loves Sam, he loves Sam enough to forgive him. But Castiel gets it all, without the love, plus his anger that Sam is making Dean feel that way.

Yeah? Sense-making? Maybe I'm full of crap and I just love Cas enough to excuse him for anything, but...

Date: 2009-10-16 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
1) You're right, I bet he has so much guilt stored up about that and no idea what to do with it all because he's not used to feeling it, so he does what's easiest, and that's to start blaming Sam and Dean. I can see it. It's not right, but it's understandable.

2) I hadn't thought of that before, but dude, that makes perfect sense. Awww, Cas, all that frustration. And it must make him even more guilty that he was so frustrated and yet still didn't say anything.

3) Of course he'd be defensive about it, it's the biggest thing he's ever done and he has to HAS TO believe it was right. Oh, Cas. :(

4) I LOVE THIS POINT SO HARD. And I completely agree, whatever anger Castiel has toward Sam may just be protectiveness over Dean or secondhand feelings from Dean. When they were apart he seemed all concerned about that because Dean wasn't doing so well without Sam, and now that they're together, Castiel can focus on the little things that are still making Dean unhappy. Yessss, I love this explanation. ♥

SO MUCH SENSE-MAKING.
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Date: 2009-10-16 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
*grin* Glad to hear it!

They're still complaining, from what I hear, but whatever. They're not about to harsh on my squee. Which is endless, because Dean and Castiel are totally BFFs, to the point where they PULL PRANKS. eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. ♥

Date: 2009-10-16 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olympia-m.livejournal.com
heeeeeee - your recaps make me sooooo happy!!!!

that 'your bible gets more things wrong' made my mind go to a very bad place where C was basically telling D that sex between them is okay....

*shakes head*

*obsessed O is obsessed....*

Date: 2009-10-16 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] love-jackianto.livejournal.com
'that 'your bible gets more things wrong' made my mind go to a very bad place where C was basically telling D that sex between them is okay....'
You're not the only one!

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Date: 2009-10-16 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taller-tales.livejournal.com
Nice recap.

I loved this episode to pieces. Especially the Castiel and Sam tension. Bitch fight!

And oh god the whoopie cushion. I'm kind of hoping Castiel keeps it as something from Dean, and Dean somehow discovers he still has it. It would be weird for him, but also heartwarming.

I am also warming up to the idea of Castiel being all blankfaced as Dean sits down in the Impala and 'finds' the whoopie cushion again. A Castiel/Dean prankwar would make me cry a river of joy.

Date: 2009-10-16 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tracy.livejournal.com
The Castiel vs Sam tension was amazing, I've been wanting to see them interact more! \o/

Hahahha Castiel's pockets must be full of things he collects from Dean over time -- the amulet, the FBI badge, and now the whoopie cushion. he has them all on his person AT ALL TIMES.

A Castiel/Dean prankwar would make me cry a river of joy.

RIGHT? I mean, Castiel's an ANGEL, JUST IMAGINE THE SORTS OF THINGS HE COULD DO TO DEAN! This would be amazing dkfjdlkfjds OMG WANT.

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