When the Levee Breaks!

[tracy_loo_who]

LATE AND SHORT, BUT. CASTIEL.

DEAN SCREAMED HIMSELF HOARSE FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS. FOR CASTIEL. And got a gruff "What do you want?" for all his troubles, whereas the last time he prayed Castiel showed up in seconds and was all "THIS IS A GOOD THING, WHEEE, ILU!" To be expected, after the last episode, but oh man, didn't I write fic about this or something, Castiel trying to ignore Dean's prayers until he finally realizes Dean won't give up? :)) :)) :))

Okay but what gets to me is how Castiel's valiant attempt to be cold and distant breaks down so quickly now that he's face to face with Dean. I mean, this is pretty much as far away as he's ever stood from Dean before, right?


And he even tries to stay there for as long as possible, but of course he starts drawing closer to Dean the moment they start talking. And Dean does actually ask about what happened! Hahahha Castiel playing dumb, hahahahahahahahahaaa oh, Cas, is that a hint of snark I hear? I'm not sure how I feel about the way Dean asked, though -- on the one hand, I'm all \o/ that it's the first thing he brought up, but on the other hand I'm kind of D: that he seems way more concerned about the information he didn't get than he is about how Castiel was TORTURED BECAUSE OF HIM. I mean, ibroketuesday was all "he probably just thinks Cas got a slap on the wrist," and sure, fine, Castiel doesn't seem terribly changed anyway, but of all the millions of things Dean feels guilty for, Cas can't be one of them? :P He says "ass-reamed in Heaven" like it's no big deal, sigh.

MEANWHILE, Castiel cannot meet his eyes at the mention of ass-reaming. HE IS STILL SO SORE FROM IT, DEAN, WHY DON'T YOU CARE? D:


SO URGENT AND PAINED AND THERE IS A WORLD OF THINGS HE WANTS TO SAY AND DO, BUT. Nnnnngh, the UST. The UST! Hahahahha really, though, I was actually really surprised how not cold he is here, he even apologizes for it. Castiel got motherfucking ass-reamed because of Dean and HE'S apologizing to DEAN. Just like he apologized to Sam for the Devil's Trap failing when it wasn't his fault at all. I know Misha said in his 300 interviews that Castiel is still the same angel, but this pretty much proves it. I don't know what that says about what they did to him in Heaven, though, does that sort of undermine that? Or does it mean his love for Dean is really just that impossible to break? XD



Dean maybe sort of does care after all! \o/ Too bad it's so short-lived. Castiel walking away from you because he can't really bear to talk about this anymore (emotions, emotions!) should not make you stop caring, it should make you care more. D:


"Get to the reason you really called me -- it's about Sam, right?" I can't decide if Castiel just doesn't want to talk about the ass-reaming anymore or if there's a touch of sulky hurt in knowing that Dean really just wants to talk about Sam, hahahaha. Maybe it's just me.


CASTIEL HAS SERIOUSLY NOT CHANGED LIKE, AT ALL. LOOK AT HIM HERE. LOOK HOW PAINED THINKING ABOUT DEAN'S PAIN MAKES HIM. Did we read too much into this whole torture business? I am sort of beginning to think so..


..Because I mean, if anything they've only turned UP the amount of eye!fucking that goes on between these two, seriously.


I know Misha/Castiel is always sort of hunch-y, but I love when he's hunching into Dean. ♥♥


SOMETIMES I HONEST TO FUCKING GOD CANNOT STAND HOW PUPPYISH THIS MAN IS. SERIOUSLY, IS THIS SHIT FOR REAL? WHY CAN'T I HAVE HIM?


Does it mean something that Dean calls Sam "Sammy" in front of Castiel? I think it means something!


Awww, Castiel still hates being called a dick. And it's worse now because he can't do anything about it, wah, Cas.


This moment is just sort of perfectly gorgeous, neither of them looking at the other but so connected, as reluctant as Dean is. And maybe Castiel's reluctant too, part of me thinks he knows it's not in Dean's best interests to do this, I dunno, I dunno, but at the same time -- this is sort of what he's been working for ALL YEAR, isn't it? I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT ANYTHING IN THIS EPISODE.


Except for the fact that THIS is always so inevitable. This cannot-stop-staring thing. THIS WILL NEVER GET OLD.


See what I mean about Castiel maybe being reluctant to have Dean do this?



LOL BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS WILL NEVER GET OLD:


EVER.


STILL LOVING IT. \O/ LOL SERIOUSLY, THOUGH, THIS LAST BIT WITH THEM JUST STANDING THERE FOREVER AND EVER, LOLOLOL SHIP. ILU. ETA: Contrast this with how far apart they were standing at the beginning of the scene! THIS IS SYMBOLIC OF THEIR INEVITABILITY, YES?


I maybe almost sort of forgive Dean for not trusting Castiel, because this? Sigh, maybe he has a point. But it's not Castiel's fault that he's getting shady orders from even shadier sources, either! HOW MUCH DOES THIS SUCK? D:


You know, I've always sort of wondered how ridiculous the actors must feel, doing these ridiculous hand things on the set without the effects to make it look like something's actually happening. :)) /random


ALONE AND HURTING. God, I will NEVER stop hurting over this motherfucking angel. D:



SORRY I LET OUT SAM AND BETRAYED DEAN'S TRUST. SORRY YOU'RE ABOUT TO DIE. SORRY SORRY SORRY, oh Cas. I've hugged my pillow more in the past week than I usually do in MONTHS, Jesus.




I think Anna's death actually kind of hurts me, mostly because it hurts Cas and makes him need to lean on railings. :(




So.. Dean and Sam. (They definitely fight better than Misha, hahahahhaha sorry MishMish, but it's true.) Uhm. I would say more, but. This has been coming, we've all been expecting it for ages (EXCEPT FOR SAM ALMOST CHOKING DEAN WHEN HE WAS ALREADY DOWN? WTF WAS THAT?), and I'm sure everyone else has already discussed it to death, so I won't. This shot, though, this shot kind of breaks me and I wish Castiel would just fucking hold him already:


I'm actually more worried about what's going to happen when Dean finds out it was Cas who let Sam out. Seriously, there are much bigger issues, I realize, but I'm dreading this. D: Not that I don't have faith in this ship, but every setback is so painful. :(

I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD HAVE MORE TO SAY but I've been awake for like two days straight (again) and I'm going for food now, and then Star Trek! Shall catch up with everything later, bbs. :D

Okay wait, poll first, 'cause I'm curious to see what you guys think..

[Poll #1396990]

Comments

[spacemonkey-699.livejournal.com]

Lol, I yelled out HOMO OFF! coz I knew it was coming. Cas won the homo off, btw. He is the gayest for the episode.

[crystalchain.livejournal.com]

I LOVE YOUR PICSPAMMY REVIEWS BB. You're my hero this week, really. I'm sick of all the negative shit so I'm just clinging to this entry and our awesome OTP that is Dean/Castiel ♥ and omg the eyefucking between these two in last night's episode? Holy crap that was kind of intense. I loved it!

My heart is kind of breaking for them all. For Sam for being so blind that he can't see he's being manipulated by the demons (and kind of by the angels too), Dean for losing everything and everyone he's ever loved, Bobby for seeing 'his' boys likes this and Castiel for being in this kind of situation.

Misha is an awesome actor, though. I knew that before this episode but DAMN. Castiel sure as hell is trying to play tough but his eyes. He still feels and he may be able to cover it up with his attitude but his eyes are telling the whole truth about just how important Dean is to him and how much he really cares for him. I admire Misha and his talent for managing to actually show all of that. I'm sure Castiel ain't an easy character to play but Misha is fucking awesome at it. I still don't get what this fandom did to deserve him. Misha *sighs* the guy is gold ♥ I LOVE HIM SO MUCH!

[tracy.livejournal.com]

There is negative shit about him? Sigh, I haven't checked yet, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I sort of am, perpetually, because I honestly just love him so much I cannot understand when other people don't. D:

Gah, yes, it really DOES suck for all of them. Jimmy, too! My heart sort of only really has the capacity to break for Castiel, these days, because he fills my quota of heartbreak and then some, but I feel for everyone else, too, especially Dean.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DID TO DESERVE HIM EITHER. He's the best thing that's happened to me pretty much all year now, jesus. And you are SO RIGHT about his eyes, Misha's got that down PERFECTLY, nnngh, Misha. I just want to see something other than pain and helpless hurt in Castiel's eyes, though. :(

[rogueslayer452.livejournal.com]

YES. TO ALL OF THIS. JUST GAH.

I hurt whenever I see Castiel hurt. The way he's slouching over the railing, his painful expressions at Dean and the way he's just standing with his eyes emoting just. Gah! Misha and Jensen have this effect on me, that whenever they get upset on the screen so do I, and when they hurt I do too. And with them together? MY HEART ACHES.

I was so seriously giddy when having another Dean/Castiel scene. With extra eyefucking and prolonged pan aways from them! And seeing Castiel is still Castiel, just underneath a tight leash, makes me feel SO MUCH BETTER and relieved from our radical reaction from the ending of the last episode. I was all prepared for the cold soldier to return, but nope. Castiel is still all sad puppy faced and torn, and I love him so much. ♥ ♥ ♥

There are certain cuts they made to Castiel in that scene that it looks like he's gazing longingly at Dean like he always does and it's almost looks like he's ready to kiss him, especially with them standing so very fucking close in those shots. ;D

JUST OMG CAS! DEAN! THE EMOTIONS AND THE PAIN! CAN THEY HEAL EACH OTHER NAO, PLZ?!

I'm actually more worried about what's going to happen when Dean finds out it was Cas who let Sam out. Seriously, there are much bigger issues, I realize, but I'm dreading this. D: Not that I don't have faith in this ship, but every setback is so painful. :(

THIS. I'm afraid of this too. Every single time they have a shot at gaining trust and faith into one another something happens to break that opportunity up. Which makes this pairing overcoming these kinds of obstacles and that's what makes them epic. But still. There needs to be not so much angsting going on and at least some happiness and bonding with them, y/y?

As for killing Lilith...I wanna say Dean and Sam killing her together, but perhaps it might be Castiel. Idk. This might be the cliffhanger at the end of this season.... D:

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Hahahha hi bb, I was reading this comment last night and was going to reply, but I decided I needed to hug my pillow first and now it's 11 hours later. :)) *facepalm*

That said, what really got to me was what you said about Castiel just standing there emoting with this eyes, which is so true because he's on such a short leash at the moment it's even more impossible for him to do what he wants to do than it was before, so his eyes emote even more to make up for that! D: Sigh, those boys have the same effect on me, bb, I ache for them too.

Dude, I think that scene might've been their longest yet, maybe? I'll have to rewatch OtHoaP to be sure, but I don't think there was any one scene that was quite that long.. maybe the hospital one? ANYWAY. POINT IS. I was so NOT expecting that long and that slashy of a scene, especially on the heels of last episode. It's like Kripke did it on purpose to make it up to us because he knew how much the last episode would hurt. XD God, I love that man.

and it's almost looks like he's ready to kiss him

LOL I KNOW. I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW. Especially the way he kind of hunches into Dean! Like he can't stand any closer because they're already so close but he's trying to get closer anyway, and the gazes, oh god yes, Misha. fjdkl;afjkldsjfkls

There needs to be not so much angsting going on and at least some happiness and bonding with them, y/y?

YES. God, I can't decide if I want Dean to find out sooner (in the next episode) so they can start getting past it sooner, or if I want them to put it off till next season because if Dean finds out in the finale and hates Castiel for it and then they GO ON FUCKING SUMMER HIATUS, wah, wah, wahhhh. D:

I really think Lilith's time is up, and they do like to give us SOME conclusion to part of the storyline in the finale, usually..

[vyrantium.livejournal.com]

Ooops, I totally blew past the question in the poll and just answered Dean because I assumed it was the "whose side are you on" or "who's the more awesome brother" xD I actually think it'll be SAM to kill Lilith... and I bet it'll be the breaking of the final seal when he does it too :/ I just have a bad feeling that Ruby has been beefing Sam up to kill Lilith so he can break the final seal AND join her on the demon side.

Oh, and Anna=dead? WTF? :P I just thought she was going to go up and get angel-ass-reamed like Cas was :/ Huh. I didn't really get the whole being dead thing from that.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Hahha just so you know in the future or whatever, I think you can edit your answers to polls! I think if killing Lilith is a good thing, then it might be Dean to do it, because the angels surely must have something right? But if it turns out that killing Lilith IS actually a bad thing, then yes, Sam. The whole Ruby-wanting-Sam-to-raise-Lucifer theory is so popular in fandom that I wonder if Kripke will do something completely different, though!

I have no idea if she's dead, but I guess since she was on the run anyway and Castiel had orders to kill her, even if they did take her to heaven they'd just kill her there?

[goth-clark.livejournal.com]

It just a long road of pain that Castiel now walks with the Winchesters.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

*sigh* This show never hurt me this much before, I don't even know what happened. :P

[nyoka.livejournal.com]

Thank you for this!

[tracy.livejournal.com]

You're welcome! :D ♥

[taurenova.livejournal.com]

The thing I loved most about the reeeeeeeeally long eye-fucking scene? At the very end when Dean looks away and down and Castiel moves ever-so-slightly into him and tilts his head as if he's trying to keep eye contact.

It's a good thing I was watching this by myself today. I just kept going 'Oh MISHA! Oh CASTIEL! How are you so *handwaves*' all the time. It would have driven my Mum mad.

(I spoke to my Mum on the phone, my parents are on a ferry to France you see, and said: 'I'm not going to say anything about the episode but this - I don't know what Castiel's playing at but I don't like it')

As an utterly random aside: did you see this week's Fringe? Because there was one particular bit with Charlie where I thought I was going to die from the hot.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

OH GOD YOU'RE RIGHT. I just had to rewatch that about 10 more times. Jesus, Jesus, Castiel just got ass-reamed and yet he is MORE DESPERATE FOR DEAN'S LOVE NOW THAN EVER BEFORE. Normally he'd just leave after a conversation like that, but seriously, just stood there and stared some more, fjkdslfjsdk I wonder how it eventually ended! :))

*laughs* But surely your mother is used to it by now? Aww, I wish she was more ♥ over Cas, though.

Oh my god I haven't yet, but I WILL DOWNLOAD IT NOW AND GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

[n-isfor-neville.livejournal.com]

I've always been a Dean girl.

anyway, this show is starting to turn into Dean and Castiel's epic love story. :)

I can understand Sam's POV, but he's just so stubborn about it, and so is Dean.

and OMG if this ep didn't just break my heart at the end.

(and I'm like 4 or 5 eps from finishing BSG!)

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I was firmly a Dean girl too, until Castiel showed up! I even have a Dean girl tank that my friend got me once, hahhaha. But hey, I'm still a Dean girl.. being a Cas girl complements that, I think, exactly because of what you said about this show turning into their epic love story. XD

*sigh* I can understand Sam too, it was just the choking Dean at the end (which was COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY) that made me frown a lot.

OMG. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF IT? I actually have very, very mixed thoughts about the finale, but hey, the journey matters more than the destination, right?

[darkmagess.livejournal.com]

I really wasn't expecting Castiel to be so... emotional for these last two episodes. I figured it was more brainwashing than "very strong possibly torturous reprimand," but no... he's him, just him scared silent. Glad to see it, but I really wasn't expecting it. So maybe Dean hasn't really lost him? And you'd think Heaven would be totally onto the 'ship factor. I mean, their whole purpose seems to be to cut Dean off and leave him by himself. Wouldn't it be terribly convenient if the only thing you left him with was an angel he loves and trusts? Hmm? Hello, Heaven? Why are you not onto this plan?

I agree with the WTF over the choking. WTF SAM! Like Dean wasn't down and defeated enough? Are we supposed to believe that for a few seconds Sam actually wanted him dead?

I love to bits that Dean found Sam with no problem. Like, none. Yeah, Dean doesn't know you in the slightest, Sam. Doesn't know you so much that he could follow your evasive trail like a freaking bloodhound.

I think Castiel changed the subject quickly because he was afraid that he might crack under further questioning. Yes, perhaps Dean should have been more concerned about what happened to Cas in Heaven, but the guy's at the end of his rope here... I don't think he can take on any more caring at this particular point in time. And that extra patheticness is what would make Cas give the answer he's not supposed to give. Best defense? Aversion. Change subjects, and the most effective way to get Dean to drop it is to bring up Sam. I think it was a self-preservation tactic from Castiel.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Right, I was totally not expecting so much emotion either! He really did seem so awfully cold in the last episode, but now all of a sudden he's back to hurt-y, emote-y puppy just like that? Oh, Cas. On the one hand I'm VERY relieved, but on the other hand I think it would've been kinda cool if they HAD brainwashed him. Anyway, hmm, why would heaven want to cut Dean of and leave him by himself? I mean, they want him on their side, right? I think they just want to have their cake and eat it too -- they want Dean, but they don't want to give him anything back, such as an angel who will bend the rules for him. They took THAT away from him, but Castiel is still the one he trusts most despite that, so I guess it makes sense for them to let him have Cas back?

Are we supposed to believe that for a few seconds Sam actually wanted him dead?

I have no idea, man. I felt for Sammy throughout the rest of it, because he had a point, everything had a point, but THAT? Did NOT have a fucking point. D: Ugh, I don't know what to think of Sam.

Hahahha I said this while I was watching: the other car was some sort of Honda, right? Sam totally should've known that and stolen ANOTHER Honda, that might've thrown Dean off a little, or at least halved his chances. :))

I don't think he can take on any more caring at this particular point in time.

Awww. This. Yes, I agree with you completely. Castiel can't take any more caring because then he'd break under it and go soft again, but that doesn't mean I don't want Dean to care. Hahahha I would just prefer he give Castiel longingly concerned looks while he isn't watching or something, lol, to balance out all of Castiel's longing gazing that he does. :P

[seussian.livejournal.com]

I actually LOLed when Castiel was all, "You called me about Sam, didn't you..." Awww, jealous much? And then in the not-kissing-but-damn-that's-a-small-amount-of-space-between-them scene, I kept waiting for Cas to disappear, I mean, early S4 Cas would have poofed out when Dean blinked, but he DIDN'T LEAVE! I thought that was a huge deal.

Are we sure Anna's dead? I thought she was getting beamed back to the mother ship for re-brainwashing...

I kept moaning "OH, noooo..." throughout the whole episode, and randomly leaping into a different position on the couch whenever my boys did something sketch. Cas letting Sam out? SO. NOT. OKAY. And yet, I agreed with Bobby that they were killing him, not detoxing him. I'm pretty sure he was getting a lot worse, and not even a little better... maybe it had to be done? *has hope* Additionally, the fight at the end... man, when Sam let Ruby go, and then got offered a CO-DEMON-KILLING-SPREE with Dean and then TURNED IT DOWN FOR THE BITCH, I wanted Dean to just knock him unconcious and leave him there to fucking die. And then... then... Sam kicked Dean's ass?? What is this? Way to make Sam think you're a pussy, man. *facepalm*

I agree that nailing down an emotion for this ep is a bit difficult, but I think I'm going with disbelief, dismay, and horror. Cas did a bad bad thing, and Dean went along and justified every excuse Sam has been feeding himself since the beginning. *shakes head* Sam didn't surprise me with his fuckery, until he choked Dean after he'd beaten him down. *sigh*

Boys...eyefuck more. Betray less.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Of course he's jealous, he just got ass-reamed because of his love for this man and all Dean really cares about is Sam. :( Hahhaha seriously, though, I would've thought the disappearing thing would start to happen again after the last episode, but it's only gotten MORE epic. This is the second time, now! ♥

Well, Castiel and Uriel DID have orders to kill Anna, so we know Heaven wants her dead..

LOL YOU MUST HAVE BEEN LEAPING INTO SO MANY DIFFERENT POSITIONS. :)) There was SO much sketch.

And yet, I agreed with Bobby that they were killing him, not detoxing him.

I hope this too! If it turns out Castiel actually saved his life, then that will be a good thing. But what does it say about the rest of Sam's life, if he can never go without drinking demon blood again? D: God, I just want to know what made him do it the very first time. Ruby saved his life, sure, but THAT? Unnecessary. :|

And then... then... Sam kicked Dean's ass?? What is this?

Yeah, remember in the pilot when Dean totally kicked his ass? D: Sigh, I just don't know about Sam these days.

But how can there be that much dismay and horror when we got SUCH AN EPIC DEAN/CASTIEL SCENE? That might've been their longest yet, maybe maybe.

Boys...eyefuck more. Betray less.

THIS. This x 1000. D: Although we DID get a lot of eyefuck, hahahahha.

[emptyheaven.livejournal.com]

This was the episode that finally killed me. It's just.... I know we should be hurting for Castiel (and I do! I do! Poor angsty, tortured angel) but poor Dean! jesus, they put him through some shit!
Oh and the eye-fucking *happy sighs*
And Sam? Oh he's in trouble! Sure I understand the fist fight but the choking?? So not on man!
And my heart broke when Dean was lying on the floor all alone, unable to get up *whimpers*
But this episode is worthy of some major iconage!

Sleep woman! Sleep!!

[tracy.livejournal.com]

God, I don't even know how Dean manages to pick himself up and continue fighting in the next episode, if that were me I'd probably just fucking lie there forever. D: Ugh, show, what are you doing to my Dean?

THE CHOKING PISSED ME OFF MORE THAN ANYTHING, I THINK. I could understand where Sam was coming from for the rest of it, but the choking? No. D:

Heee, I can't wait for all the eye!fucking eyes, whee! \o/

[ibroketuesday.livejournal.com]

or if there's a touch of sulky hurt in knowing that Dean really just wants to talk about Sam, hahahaha.

It's not just you. I thought Castiel sounded a little hurt that Dean called him just to get help with Sam, and asking about Illinois was just an icebreaker.

I maybe almost sort of forgive Dean for not trusting Castiel, because this?

Yes. Before, we knew that Castiel would give anything for Dean, and Dean probably at least felt like he could rely on him. Now Castiel is being kept on a very short leash, and I bet he'd only disobey if it would save Dean - not Dean's brother or Dean's happiness or Dean's freedom, just his life. The Castiel of three episodes ago would have found some way to sabotage his own attempt to release Sam. It's tragic, because Castiel obviously still has serious doubts about what he's doing, but he won't act out because he has to make sure that if it ever happens that Dean really needs him, he has to be there, only it's this that is causing Dean to lose whatever trust in him he'd gathered. Castiel's doing everything he's doing so that he can be there for Dean when it matters, and Dean hates him for it. God, Cas.

You know what this reminds me of? Gaeta's role in New Caprica. I remember getting into an argument with someone in fandom who was calling him a coward and a traitor for staying in Baltar's government during the Cylon occupation, but the only reason he stayed with them was so that he could continue feeding information to the rebels. I feel like that's the position Castiel is in now, he's strategically placed and trying to maintain that, and because of that, he'll be loathed - just like Gaeta was dragged down to the hangar for a bullshit trial and execution.

I've always sort of wondered how ridiculous the actors must feel, doing these ridiculous hand things on the set without the effects to make it look like something's actually happening.

This might apply to other actors, but not Misha. He actually has telekinesis.

Did we read too much into this whole torture business?

I think he was tortured, but he obviously wasn't broken, because hello, that's my Cas!

I'm planning to talk about this in my episode reaction post, but I haven't actually typed that up yet (*slow*) so I will just start here. (Oh, and speaking of my episode reaction post, lol, I was SO TIRED this morning, I thought to myself that it would be fun to copy/paste some of our AIM reactions, and then I closed the chat, and then I continued thinking about that until I realized what I'd just done. *facepalm* I suck.) At first, I had a lot of trouble reconciling the loving Castiel of that first scene with the Castiel who let Sam out and watched as Anna died, but then I realized that duh, they're probably watching his every move. Before, they they demoted him for his emotions, but they'd still let him go places alone, and that's why he could pull those sly little "This is why I can't help" tricks. Now, if he tried something like that, he'd probably get pulled back to heaven for more pain. (And Jimmy would be like "...I give up.") It's not that he agrees those orders are just, it's that he's got to follow every command or he's fucked.

What I can't decipher is the Anna scene, though. Did Castiel call her there, or did she just show up? Even if she wasn't called, was her presence expected and an ambush laid? (In which case, lol, Castiel's superiors know all they have to do is put him out in the open and make him look sad and all the girls come running.) The possibility I find most intriguing is the third, that she wasn't called and there was no ambush and no one had any idea she'd appear at the docks, but Castiel's being watched all the time so that the second she showed up, they saw and materialized and murdered her. He couldn't exactly have said "Run!" but his "You shouldn't have come" was as close as he could get. :| If Castiel's got two angels on his tail at all times - damn. I love that his superiors didn't reassign him; I think they think Dean will be more manageable if Castiel is his liaison, and they wouldn't have gotten away with switching angels on him. :D

ETA: ALSO. THIS SCREENCAP (http://pics.livejournal.com/tracy_loo_who/pic/001qtgqp). *STARES FOREVER*

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Poor Cas, all that pain and suffering and Dean still only cares about Sam, at the end of the day. D:

The Castiel of three episodes ago would have found some way to sabotage his own attempt to release Sam.

Awwwwww. This, yes, you are so right, and the image of Castiel sabotaging his own task -- I love that so fucking much. At the moment I can only hope that he was actually saving Sam's life, because maybe he really WOULD have died if they'd kept him locked up. And obviously Sam still has a part to play in everything, it's in the prophecy and all, so Castiel, agent of fate as he is, had to do it regardless? I dunno. :(

but he won't act out because he has to make sure that if it ever happens that Dean really needs him, he has to be there

THIS IS THE MOST TRAGIC THING IN THE WORLD. He's only following orders not because he's afraid of another ass-reaming, but because he's afraid of what will happen to Dean while he's away for the ass-reaming! Exactly what you said, but oh Jesus, and Dean doesn't get it at all, this is TRAGIC X 10000. D: ARE YOU WRITING THIS INTO YOUR HEAVEN FIC (how's that coming, btw? \o/)? 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT, THEN I WILL HAVE TO AT SOME POINT, THIS IS TOO HURTY TO PASS UP. D:

Oh god, Gaeta. You're right, that's such a perfect parallel I can't even believe I didn't see it before now. Gaeta might just be the most tragic character in that show, I really think so sometimes. D: This analogy also kind of breaks my heart, though, because then Heaven is the enemy, and god, Castiel must be so lost.

Don't most chat programs automatically save logs these days? Mine did, but since I used a web-based program.. alas.

Yes, I'm also sure Castiel was tortured to some extent (I'm decisive about it, in fact!), but maybe not to as great an extent as we thought? You're right about them watching his every move, though, of course they are, and what can he possibly do about it other than follow his orders? Because, like you said, it really might just come down to either letting Sam out or being dragged back to Heaven (lolpoorJimmy) where he won't be available to help Dean the next time he needs it. That's why I can forgive him for everything, I'm just sad it means Dean can't count on him for anything but the biggest thing -- to be there if his life truly is in danger. :(

I like to think Anna just showed up to wtf at him about letting Sam out. I really really REALLY don't think he would have called her (unless ordered to, I guess) of his own accord because he KNOWS they've still got orders to kill her and he knows he's being watched. Your theory of her showing up and the other angels being opportunistic in taking her is exactly what I assumed all along, actually, maybe because I can't bring myself to think about Cas actually setting up that trap. But also it wouldn't make sense for him to, he's still the same angel as he was before, after all! And yes, he DID warn her, before the other angels got there, he fucking warned her. That says everything to me.

(Hahha, I wonder what those two angels thought of all that eye!fucking Castiel and Dean did earlier, hahahahaaaa. ♥)

GOD, I KNOW. WHY IS HE SO FUCKING PRETTY ALL THE TIME? Jeez, Misha.

[lallipoo.livejournal.com]

HEY LOVE I KNOW YOU LOVE CASTIEL BUT GUESS WHAT I SAW STAR TREK LAST NIGHT AND IT WAS GREAT, SPOCK IS MY NEW FAVORITE SCIFI MANMEAT HOT SMART PERSON. OK KIRK TOO. CAN WE SQUEE ABOUT THAT TOO? THX

[lallipoo.livejournal.com]

ITS OKAY TO NOT SLEEP IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO WATCH STAR TREK. DON'T FORGET TO DROOL OVER SPOCK'S LONG LEGS AND POUTY MOUTH.

[nabichansaotome.livejournal.com]

This episode. D:

I do think fans are reading too much into the torture thing. I was surprised to see the sudden lack of faith in the guy. How could Castiel ever forget or leave behind the man he would give anything not to see hurt? The one he hurt for in the torture chamber and the hospital afterwards (because he did stay even when he could not say or do anything to free him from his pain)? Not to mention he was absolutely reckless by standing up against Uriel--so we know he is not afraid of death or pain. He is probably afraid of being wrong in his judgment though--which would explain why he is sticking to the rules (that or he is actually fooling everyone and is in Dean's side even if must say otherwise).

I was actually really surprised how not cold he is here, he even apologizes for it. Castiel got motherfucking ass-reamed because of Dean and HE'S apologizing to DEAN.

Mmmm...I see it this way, he cannot blame Dean since it was his choice to help him and he knew the risks beforehand. If anything he would be mad at himself for disobeying, except a little part of himself would know no regret, for it gave comfort to his charge and saved Sam (for now). Just like Dean would not blame Sam for his time in Hell, in this they are alike. (Also, Dean is Castiel's Sammy. TRUFAX. D: Currently so one-sided though~)

See what I mean about Castiel maybe being reluctant to have Dean do this?

Ok, about this, I do not even know. It could be that Castiel wanted his trust not his obedience or Dean is getting himself involved into something nasty D:

And OMG, there is so much LOVE and TRUST and PAIN in Cas' eyes it's uncanny.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I guess it wasn't so much worrying that they'd tortured his love for Dean away, because obviously that just isn't possible for all the reasons you mentioned, but I was kind of worried maybe they'd somehow brainwashed him into not being able to love anymore? Misha did say in all his interviews that Cas hadn't been turned into a robot, though, so that was comforting. And this episode was even more comforting. ♥

Someone else said this, about why he's sticking to the rules, and I completely agree -- he could just be doing it because he knows he's got two angels tailing him at all times and if he doesn't, he'll just be dragged back up to Heaven again and then he won't be around when Dean really needs him. I mean, what choice does he possibly have? D:

Dean is Castiel's Sammy. TRUFAX.

TRUFAX INDEED, I LOVE LOVE LOVE that parallel. Dean is Castiel's Achilles heel like Sam is Dean's! \o/ And actually the Dean-Sam one is kinda one-sided at the moment too, argh. D:

I kind of fear Dean is getting himself into something nasty, but you're right, it could also just be that this wasn't how Castiel had wanted it to go, Dean giving himself over out of desperation rather than trust. :(

CASTIEL'S EYES EMOTE EVEN MORE NOW THAT HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE HE'S BEING WATCHED SO CLOSELY. D: Oh, Misha.

[waddi-wassi.livejournal.com]

I have no thoughts about this ep. I still don't know what to think about Sam and Dean (well, maybe I know? I'm kinda angry with Sam. Poor Dean, really. And wtf was that, Sam? Were you CHOKING your brother or was I hallucinating? I'd prefer the second option, thankyouverymuch), but...

DEAN AND CASTIEL ARE THE OTP! THEY LOVE EACH OTHER SO MUCH! WE NEEDED, WE WANTED!, A KISS! IT WAS SO OBVIOUS THAT CASS WANTED TO KISS DEAN! LOL. And that's pretty much my biggest thought about the ep, something like... KISS HIM, CASS, YOU KNOW YOU WANT! XDDD

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I'm kind of in the same boat with regards to not knowing what to think about so much of this episode! Mostly the choking thing, ugh, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK THAT WAS.

LOLOL THAT WAS MY BIGGEST THOUGHT TOO, JESUS, CAN CAS STAND ANY CLOSER TO HIM? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WAS NO KISS.

[someblazingstar.livejournal.com]

Jesus Christ, the sexual tension between Dean and Castiel in that scene was SO INTENSE. My heart was pounding. I was seriously waiting for them to kiss, and don't know WHY they didn't - demon deals are sealed with kisses, why not angel deals as well? DAMNIT!

...maybe they kissed after the scene cut?

Also, I agree with ibroketuesday - it is really paining me to see all the "fuck you, Castiel!" reactions on my flist (albeit largely from people who never liked him much, anyway, for existing and daring to Threaten the OTP) when it seems so clear to me that he's desperately unhappy about the orders he's being made to follow. He didn't WANT to let Sam out or let Anna get captured (and I don't think he actually summoned her, I think she showed up and that he was trying to warn her), he HAD to, because there is no way his every move isn't being very, very closely monitored now. Oh, Castiel *sigh*

[ibroketuesday.livejournal.com]

(Hello, I'm comment surfing!)

I was seriously waiting for them to kiss

Me too! During that moment where they just stared into each other's eyes for forever while the camera pulled away, I actually thought, "Wait, are they going to kiss?!" That eyefucking was LUDICROUS.

it is really paining me to see all the "fuck you, Castiel!" reactions on my flist (albeit largely from people who never liked him much, anyway, for existing and daring to Threaten the OTP)

Me too. :( I don't have it so much on my flist, but I've definitely seen it elsewhere. That's one of the things this episode made me a little nervous about it; Castiel's behavior will be ammunition for those who already loathe him, and it might turn off those who are ambivalent about him and don't tend to look beneath the surface. I predict a few clashes between sections of fandom in the near future!

[leveldevil.livejournal.com]

Someone wrote a meta on the 4x20 and posted it to deancastiel. The first thing the author pointed out was how brilliant Misha was AND how Jimmy and Dean had, like, ZERO chemistry. XD It was awkward and bizarre between them, Jimmy was seriously another person - and she wrote that it meant that the whole UST and the wonderful chemistry and all the eye!fucking we got from previous episodes was from Castiel. Castiel is the reason of such an intense relationship.

...And I was afraid, after the heartbreaking ending of 4x20, that we'd not see it again. BUT I'M SO GLAD I WAS WRONG. OMGOMGOMG, ALL the UST I've always felt between them is BACK and it's gorgeous and Castiel definately did NOT forget his emotions or anything like that; he's torn from inside, he's struggling to obey his orders (even when he visibly doesn't want to) and suffering because Dean's hurting and because he cannot do more. And let's not forget about him apologising for what is not actually his fault.

The way Cas said Say it. to Dean when he agrees to "give over himself to the service of God" and etc was... Whoa. *fainted* So... Determined. I LOVE it when Castiel is resolute (I like when Misha speaks like Cas, haha. It's sexier, imho) like that!

...And when Dean says it, says that he's willing to serve God and "your guys" (and he stares at Cas when he says that, nahfg! ♥), I thought of Cas saying that he didn't serve men... And now it turns out that Dean is the one about to serve angels. 8D Talk about irony, right?

NEXT WEEK CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH!

[darkmagess.livejournal.com]

I thought it was an amusing deflection on Dean's part to change "his angels" to "you guys". Like he needed to separate the idea of "giving himself over wholly" from Cas a bit. Think about what it would have said if he'd used the words "his angels" while looking at Cas in that moment. Shippiest moment you could possibly have aside from flat out kissing him. Which Dean deftly avoided. Hee.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

*G* I LOVE THAT YOU LOVE THEM.

God, I have NEVER seen two people stand that close to each other and stare that hard without kissing. ever.

Actually he doesn't have blind faith at all, he's just been scared into it. But OMG HAVE YOU SEEN THE SPACE PROMO? fjkdlsfjksld

Hmm, that's an interesting theory, about Ruby.. too bad it failed, though, because Ruby got away after all. :P I figured mostly it was because Sam has a fate and it's not to die locked up in a panic room. Angels are the agents of fate, after all?

Aww, I hope Dean and Cas kill her together, even though I'm sure it won't happen like that.

[kalikahuntress.livejournal.com]

I am starting to get worried for Castiel's character, this fandom is mean enough as it is, I don't want his own fans turning against. **hopes Castiel finds some way out of this a little bit somehow.**

As for Dean, I kind of think it will do him some good not to turn to Castiel for every little damn thing where Sam is concerned. It would be nice if Castiel brought it up too.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Apparently even a lot of Cas fans lost faith in him after this episode? I didn't see much on my own flist aside from confusion, but after that promo, they can all eat their fucking hearts out. :D

On the one hand, I love how much faith Dean has in Castiel to help him, but on the other hand, I guess you're right. Oh, this pairing, so complicated and beautiful.

[latvela.livejournal.com]

I always look forward to your picspam reviews!

Cas broke my heart this episode. Again. Poor angel. His face! For some reason I'm not so bothered by his letting Sam out. I'm just interested in where it is going.

Random: in that first shot when he was leaning on the railing, for a brief second I actually thought he was drinking from a water fountain. Heh.

This is the second time Anna went all glowy in front of Cas. I'm beginning to think they just like to project all that light on Misha's face, for obvious reasons.

I feel like I just betrayed Dean because I voted for "neither". But I just can't deal with the brothers at the moment. I just want Cas.

[darksilvercat.livejournal.com]

I'm beginning to think they just like to project all that light on Misha's face, for obvious reasons.

LOL this is so very true. Starting in 4.10 with Anna's explosion, then Uriel in 4.16, then twice in 4.20, and now again? IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW BRIGHT YOU SHINE THAT LIGHT, YOU WON'T FIND ANY SECRET FLAWS SHOW. HE REALLY IS THAT PERFECT.

[timbitsu.livejournal.com]

I didn't think that Cas had been brainwashed, I just thought he'd probably been severely disciplined and given an ultimatum, but his obvious anguish this episode still surprised me. He hasn't changed at all, just seems even more torn up now. *__* And I have nothing else to say, other than yes to everything YOU said, lol. That long pan out, though. I had to rewatch it and count the seconds to see if it really was as friggin long as I thought it was. 13 seconds, whuttt. XD And I don't think either of the boys are going to off Lillith next week because I believe someone said she's coming back next season.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

:)) :)) You're not the only one who counted the seconds in that scene, bb, not by a long shot. COULDN'T EVEN BELIEVE IT, AT ALL. I kept waiting for it to end and it didn't, lolol.

Hmm, really? I kind of think it's time for Lilith to go, they've been doing her storyline for ages now.

[randomalia.livejournal.com]

Popping in again to read your awesome ep review. OH, LOOK AT HIS FACE. And the eye-fucking, man. I'm so glad to see that Cas is still the same after what happened last week. I do think he's being watched constantly now. And, ugh, I just realised: how hard would it have been for him to talk to Dean when he had orders to let Sam out? I get the feeling he's going to have to make this up, somehow.

Did we read too much into this whole torture business?

Did you see that script treatment for 4x20 someone posted recently? In it the writer (was it Jeremy Carver?) said Cas was getting taken back to Heaven for "brutal punishment". So I think we were right, but Cas is made of strong stuff and now he's walking the line as best he can.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Yay, hello and thanks for dropping by! :D

I get the feeling he's going to have to make this up, somehow.

THE SPACE PROMO, THE SPACE PROMO, I don't know if you watch those or if you're a spoilerphobe so I won't say more, but. Ah, omg. Castiel.

Yes, I did read that script! The word "brutally" really got to me, too, but like you said, Cas is made of strong stuff. I hope that makes Misha proud, considering how much fun he makes of Cas. :P

[sarpanita.livejournal.com]

This episode left me heartbroken=( Oh,Dean,oh Sam,oh Cas,oh Anna =(((

PS OMG Star trek.I'm in love with this movie <3

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I'd like to say the next episode will fix that, and I'm sure it WILL fix some things, but it'll probably break our hearts even more in other aspects. D:

STAR TREK WAS AMAZING, AHHH SPOCK. AND KIRK! AND KIRK AND SPOCK! Awww.

[spacemonkey-699.livejournal.com]

Lol, I had to wait for ages for this post to load. Stupid slow internet. But it was worth it. Oh the pretty. Misha's eyes in this ep? HELLO TIGER.

I was surprised with this ep, I was sure Cas was gonna be cold as all hell, so it was interesting to see him so...not. But kinda. But really not. I like it. He's on serious probation, and I'm not sure how its gonna work out, but it's amazing to know that sweet Cas is still in there. Eyefucking Dean. It pleases me.

We can has next week nao? The Space promo made me squeal and nearly die. OMG.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Hahahha, and this isn't even half the number of pictures in last week's post! :))

I was sure too! And I was so terrified of seeing him be a cold hardass to Dean, but he WASN'T. At ALL. Cas being sweet and eyefucking Dean will NEVER stop, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE PROMO. HOLY SHIT I HAVE TO STOP WHAT I'M DOING EVERY FEW MINUTES JUST TO GO WATCH IT AGAIN.

[darksilvercat.livejournal.com]

KJDSHFGA KJFDGASDJAS THIS EPISODE COMPLETELY BLEW ME AWAY.

didn't I write fic about this or something, Castiel trying to ignore Dean's prayers until he finally realizes Dean won't give up? :)) :)) :))

YOU DID! THAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT WHEN DEAN SAID THAT!

SO URGENT AND PAINED AND THERE IS A WORLD OF THINGS HE WANTS TO SAY AND DO, BUT.

THERE'S THAT MOMENT WHEN HE BREAKS, WHEN THE COLD FRONT DROPS AWAY AND HE LOOKS AT DEAN AND SAYS HE CAN'T AND OMG I WAS SO \O/ TO SEE THAT EMOTION BUT SO DDD: TO SEE HOW MUCH HE WAS HURTING. AND HE WAS JUST BEGGING DEAN TO STOP BECAUSE IF DEAN KEEPS BUGGING HIM HE'LL BREAK AND HE'LL TALK.

AND THAT APOLOGY D: THE MOST GENUINE ONE HE'S MADE SO FAR, NOT JUST 'SORRY WE SCREWED UP' BUT 'SORRY, SO SORRY, PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I'M SORRY'.

Nnnnngh, the UST. The UST!

I WAS ALL AFLAIL OVER THIS SCENE BB!

Hahahahha really, though, I was actually really surprised how not cold he is here, he even apologizes for it. Castiel got motherfucking ass-reamed because of Dean and HE'S apologizing to DEAN. Just like he apologized to Sam for the Devil's Trap failing when it wasn't his fault at all.

Cas is very much like Dean in the guilt parties, but not at all like either Winchester in his willingness to admit when he's wrong.

"Get to the reason you really called me -- it's about Sam, right?" I can't decide if Castiel just doesn't want to talk about the ass-reaming anymore or if there's a touch of sulky hurt in knowing that Dean really just wants to talk about Sam, hahahaha. Maybe it's just me.

Haha I'm so glad I'm not the only one who instantly thought he was feeling a little hurt and/or bitter there that once again Dean was pushing him for Sam's sake. Like he knows- as we've often discussed- Sam always comes first for Dean.

..Because I mean, if anything they've only turned UP the amount of eye!fucking that goes on between these two, seriously.

TOO TRUE.

Awww, Castiel still hates being called a dick. And it's worse now because he can't do anything about it, wah, Cas.

WHY HAS HE NOT HAD ANY HUGS YET?! HE AND DEAN ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF HUGS DAMMIT!!!

Loved so much that despite their constant moving around and avoidance of each other they just kept moving back and staring.

Also? Castiel saying "Say it." just about melted me. My stomach did flips and I got an instant mental image of some rather delicious porny goings on and Castiel telling Dean to 'say it'....... nnnngh.....

AND WHAT WAS WITH THAT ZOOM OUT?! LIKE AT FIRST I WAS 'OH, END SCENE *SADFACE BECAUSE CASTIEL'S SCENE WAS OVER*' THEN IT WAS 'WHY AREN'T THEY MOVING?' THEN 'THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AT EACH OTHER! \O/!' THEN 'OMFG *SHIPPY FLAIL OF GLORIOUS EYE!SEXING!* AJDSDHFADSF'!!!!!!!! I'M CONVINCED THE SUPER LONG SLOW ZOOM OUT WAS A NOT SO SUBTLE APOLOGY TO US DEAN/CASTIEL SHIPPERS FOR BREAKING OUR HEARTS LAST WEEK. IT WAS LIKE 'LOOK! LOOK! THE UST AND THE EYE!FUCKING IS STILL THERE! SAIL ON SHIPPERS!!!'

AND THEN I HAD TO TAKE A TIME OUT TO FLAIL AND SQUEE TO MY HEARTS CONTENT AND GENERALLY LOVE OUR BOYS.

[darksilvercat.livejournal.com]

Oh god, hahaha why have I written so much about this?!


You know, I've always sort of wondered how ridiculous the actors must feel, doing these ridiculous hand things on the set without the effects to make it look like something's actually happening. :)) /random

Specially Jared and his psychic demon repellant hand 8D

ALONE AND HURTING.

He looked about ready to cry ): I just wanted to hug him so bad!

I think Anna's death actually kind of hurts me, mostly because it hurts Cas and makes him need to lean on railings. :(

I admit to doing a little \o/! followed by an instant need to assure myself that she was actually killed and that the power of the Mary-Sue hadn't caused the brutal and unyielding Heaven to rescind her death sentence at the last minute just to accommodate her fabulous deus-ex-machina return later. And then I felt a little sad for Castiel who just lost his only other confidant (but now he only has Dean again and we likes that preciousssss)

I'm actually more worried about what's going to happen when Dean finds out it was Cas who let Sam out.

Me too. But I can't help hoping that by the time he finds out Cas will already have redeemed himself somewhat by helping Dean. I'm holding a fragile hope that he may just do something next episode to actually help Dean again.....

And in conclusion: Promos and previews oh my, but DID YOU SEE THE SPACE PROMO?!?!?! HOLY CRAP ASJADKHASDF \O/\O/\O/ CAS!!! GUH!!! WHY DID I FIND THAT SO HOT?!