THERE IS SO MUCH FLAIL IN THIS POST.
Jan. 16th, 2009 06:31 pmI GOT IT, I GOT IT, OH MY GOD. MY COPY OF THE BSG YEARBOOK. IT'S IN MY LAP. !!!
fdsla;fsldfkjdlsk; *FLAIL* I was going to go out tonight to watch the new episode with friends, but frak that. On second thought I'm just going to stay in and read this book and cuddle it and obsess over it and it's so satisfyingly heavy in my lap, glorious, glorious, worth every bit of the money I forked over for it. And what perfect timing, too, this, the episode, just. Oh my god, life, I love you.
There will be pictures and Very Good Things later!
Okay but first, before BSG completely and utterly takes over everything, LAST NIGHT! MY BLOODY VALENTINE 3D FOLLOWED BY SUPERNATURAL. !!
MBV: Oh my god, this movie was not one I would've seen if Jensen wasn't in it, but Jensen WAS in it, Jensen was HUGE in it, and that makes it one of the most amazing movies I've ever seen. Most gorgeous people look less perfect when you zoom in them, right, but JENSEN IS THE OPPOSITE. The bigger (heh) and closer the more perfect he is, and his TANK TOP and his arms and his neck and just. I MADE SO MANY EMBARRASSING NOISES IN THE THEATER, SERIOUSLY. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME HE APPEARED ON SCREEN.
What really struck me, actually, was how Dean he was. I mean, I know, same genre, similar roles, but it was more that that. Everything he did, the way he walked, his facial expressions, right down to his quip about that guy's hand -- so familiar and so Dean. But Dean without his Sammy, Dean who I hadn't seen more of for two months, it made me ache. In a good way.
And he said FUCK, god, that was so like Dean too, except Dean never says fuck and he did, and I came instantly. First time I've ever heard Jensen say it, I think. I can't decide which turns me on more -- angry, dangerous Jensen or bashful, lovey Jensen. He does both SO WELL. Jensen should always always always appear in 3D movies. Preferably with Jared and Misha, too. :( OMG 3D SUPERNATURAL, HOW AMAZING WOULD THAT BE?
SPN: Oh man, there are so many things I want to say about this episode, but I've spent a lot of time reading reaction posts today and it seems like most of it has already been said (either by you guys or in comments I made), so I'll make it quick.
I would've liked to have seen more continuity with Heaven and Hell since, after all, we've been waiting for two months to see what happenswith Castiel and Dean next, but I enjoyed this episode a lot despite that. Loved the creepiness, the season one feel, everything else that everyone else loved. (Btw, it seems most people who posted their reviews over at
spnnewsletter hated it, while everyone on my flist loved it. *laughs* I love you guys. ♥)
Dean, oh man, I gotta talk about Dean. WHEN CAN WE STOP HURTING HIM MORE AND START HEALING HIM, SHOW? That look on his face when he apologized for not being able to save Ted broke me more than even his lines in the end. Not that those weren't heart-wrenchingly delivered, because they were, but. That look. And then his blind need to save the kid and all the semi-suicidal moves he pulled throughout the entire episode. It's almost like when he was semi-suicidal last season, but whereas before it was because he didn't think it made a difference, now it's because he hates himself, and that hurts. Not that we didn't already know this, but I might've forgotten, over the hiatus, just how deep and ugly that hate is.
What's with Castiel not dropping in on them for a month? I really want to know. And I want to know if Dean's obsessive job-hunting is more than just saving people and avoiding awkward conversations with Sam -- maybe he's avoiding dwelling on Castiel, too, and/or thinking that just maybe the next job will lead him to Castiel. XD But Castiel's going to have a tougher time with Dean than even I thought. Which, actually, is the very reason I ship them harder now. The more impossible redemption (in his own eyes) and recovery seem to be for Dean, the more necessary it is for me to have faith that their relationship will be good for him, which is fitting because so much of their relationship is founded on their faith in each other.
I always had this notion that Castiel would guide Dean on his path to saving the world, and in doing so would give Dean a reason to forgive himself. But Dean doesn't need a reason to forgive himself, perhaps that's the point, and after talking to
rogueslayer452 I think it has to be the other way around. Dean has to forgive himself first, and perhaps in saving himself, he'll save the world. I would like nothing more right now than for Dean to put himself, his own life, before that of someone else's. Anyone else's. He can save himself and thus be alive to save the world, and how beautiful would that be? The perfect parallel (and yet opposite) to saving himself in Hell to torture others. I haven't quite figured out how Castiel can help him do this, but I will, so expect more meta. XD
Ending here for now because this is already way longer than I'd intended and anyway I'm starving (yet completely unable let go of BSG book to get food for the life of me, oh god), but.. trust me to go on and on about Dean/Castiel in a review of a Castiel-less episode. :))
IN CONCLUSION: BEST TWO DAYS OF THE YEAR.
fdsla;fsldfkjdlsk; *FLAIL* I was going to go out tonight to watch the new episode with friends, but frak that. On second thought I'm just going to stay in and read this book and cuddle it and obsess over it and it's so satisfyingly heavy in my lap, glorious, glorious, worth every bit of the money I forked over for it. And what perfect timing, too, this, the episode, just. Oh my god, life, I love you.
There will be pictures and Very Good Things later!
Okay but first, before BSG completely and utterly takes over everything, LAST NIGHT! MY BLOODY VALENTINE 3D FOLLOWED BY SUPERNATURAL. !!
MBV: Oh my god, this movie was not one I would've seen if Jensen wasn't in it, but Jensen WAS in it, Jensen was HUGE in it, and that makes it one of the most amazing movies I've ever seen. Most gorgeous people look less perfect when you zoom in them, right, but JENSEN IS THE OPPOSITE. The bigger (heh) and closer the more perfect he is, and his TANK TOP and his arms and his neck and just. I MADE SO MANY EMBARRASSING NOISES IN THE THEATER, SERIOUSLY. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME HE APPEARED ON SCREEN.
What really struck me, actually, was how Dean he was. I mean, I know, same genre, similar roles, but it was more that that. Everything he did, the way he walked, his facial expressions, right down to his quip about that guy's hand -- so familiar and so Dean. But Dean without his Sammy, Dean who I hadn't seen more of for two months, it made me ache. In a good way.
And he said FUCK, god, that was so like Dean too, except Dean never says fuck and he did, and I came instantly. First time I've ever heard Jensen say it, I think. I can't decide which turns me on more -- angry, dangerous Jensen or bashful, lovey Jensen. He does both SO WELL. Jensen should always always always appear in 3D movies. Preferably with Jared and Misha, too. :( OMG 3D SUPERNATURAL, HOW AMAZING WOULD THAT BE?
SPN: Oh man, there are so many things I want to say about this episode, but I've spent a lot of time reading reaction posts today and it seems like most of it has already been said (either by you guys or in comments I made), so I'll make it quick.
I would've liked to have seen more continuity with Heaven and Hell since, after all, we've been waiting for two months to see what happens
Dean, oh man, I gotta talk about Dean. WHEN CAN WE STOP HURTING HIM MORE AND START HEALING HIM, SHOW? That look on his face when he apologized for not being able to save Ted broke me more than even his lines in the end. Not that those weren't heart-wrenchingly delivered, because they were, but. That look. And then his blind need to save the kid and all the semi-suicidal moves he pulled throughout the entire episode. It's almost like when he was semi-suicidal last season, but whereas before it was because he didn't think it made a difference, now it's because he hates himself, and that hurts. Not that we didn't already know this, but I might've forgotten, over the hiatus, just how deep and ugly that hate is.
What's with Castiel not dropping in on them for a month? I really want to know. And I want to know if Dean's obsessive job-hunting is more than just saving people and avoiding awkward conversations with Sam -- maybe he's avoiding dwelling on Castiel, too, and/or thinking that just maybe the next job will lead him to Castiel. XD But Castiel's going to have a tougher time with Dean than even I thought. Which, actually, is the very reason I ship them harder now. The more impossible redemption (in his own eyes) and recovery seem to be for Dean, the more necessary it is for me to have faith that their relationship will be good for him, which is fitting because so much of their relationship is founded on their faith in each other.
I always had this notion that Castiel would guide Dean on his path to saving the world, and in doing so would give Dean a reason to forgive himself. But Dean doesn't need a reason to forgive himself, perhaps that's the point, and after talking to
Ending here for now because this is already way longer than I'd intended and anyway I'm starving (yet completely unable let go of BSG book to get food for the life of me, oh god), but.. trust me to go on and on about Dean/Castiel in a review of a Castiel-less episode. :))
IN CONCLUSION: BEST TWO DAYS OF THE YEAR.
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Date: 2009-01-16 11:35 pm (UTC)Sarah and I have every reason to fear your squee. *hides*
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Date: 2009-01-16 11:46 pm (UTC)Hopefully soon. But here's the thing: this might just be my head screaming "I MUST SEE DARK/EVIL/TWISTED/DEMENTED DEAN NAO, ZOMG," but I don't think we're going to see him start heading up until we see what he's done. Either in a flashback, or some crazy hypnotism thing that 'brings the Hell out of him,' or somehow being coerced into recreating what he did in the pit: the audience is going to need to see it.
This season has made me realize that what we're seeing here is 'the hero's journey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth).' (Actually, make that 'heroes' plural; Sam's a hero, too.) They need to hit absolute rock-bottom before they can overcome and be fighting for more than redemption. Both Dean and Sam's storylines parallel Joseph Campbell's hero's journey... and I might just need to write up some meta of my own, the more I think about this.
(Pardon me for the comment spew; my brain is all over the place on this episode.)
The perfect parallel (and yet opposite) to saving himself in Hell to torture others.
THIS. THIS. THIS.
Seriously; Kripke is such a magnificent bastard for doing this. (Don't get me wrong; I'm totally loving it.) The first time we ever hear of Dean doing something for HIMSELF, finally shaking off his saint/co-dependent/martyr complex, is him getting himself off the rack to torture others. Oh, Dean.
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Date: 2009-01-16 11:53 pm (UTC)Everything about that parallel is amazing, god, I really do hope you write this meta!
The first time we ever hear of Dean doing something for HIMSELF, finally shaking off his saint/co-dependent/martyr complex, is him getting himself off the rack to torture others.
Oh man, I hadn't thought of it quite like this, but you're right, first time ever, that just makes it hurt all the worse. And all the better, too, somehow.
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Date: 2009-01-17 12:56 am (UTC)I find it hilarious that some people hated it while everyone on my flist, too, loved it and thought it was amazingly scary and awesome. *cackles* Oh man, this is great.
Yeah, I totally agree. STOP TORMENTING AND HURTING DEAN SO HE CAN BELIEVE AND FORGIVE HIMSELF AND SAVE THE WORLD ALREADY! It's somewhat interesting since although I hadn't forgotten his time in Hell, listening to him and watching his expressions and actions in this episode really placed more emphasis on how deep his hurt and anguish is. So much self-loathing about what he'd done, and while I felt the ending monologue was unnecessary Dean isn't one to reveal all his emotions out in one sitting (and sometimes not even at all, he's always stoic!Dean until the string is wound too tight and he just snaps and breaks), and definitely his looks and actions say it all more than words can.
One month without Castiel. I can't imagine how that can be. Though I'm sure things in the heavenly order have changed since the events in "Heaven and Hell", but seriously with Dean hurting that much I'd suspect Castiel would be watching/overhearing/made aware of what was happening with him and would want the urge to go speak with him. Or just see him. I feel like if there's any time Castiel needs to be around Dean, this is the time. After his confession to Sam we're seeing him unravel in nearly the kind of self-destructiveness as last season. :(
There needs to be more Dean/Castiel scenes. I'm sure there will be soon, since he'll be around for quite some time, but I guess after all this discussion of Dean and his self-loathing I want them to have ONE RIGHT NOW, DAMMIT! HEAL HIM CASTIEL, MAKE HIM FEEL WORTHY! Of course Dean has to do that himself, I just want more puppy eyed Castiel, all sad and looking helpless with Dean beating himself up.
OMG I AM GOING OFF ABOUT DEAN/CASTIEL EVEN WHEN THIS EPISODE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING BETWEEN THEM...MY GOD I LOVE THIS SHOW. ♥
I feel so giddy to be mentioned in your post. Random, I know, but still. HEE! :D
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Date: 2009-01-17 01:15 am (UTC)Hahha I got a whiff of the reactions before I saw the ep and was kinda worried and D:, actually, but then I saw it and was much happier. :D
God, I know, EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THING HE DID IN THIS EPISODE just screamed self-loathing, in a way that he hasn't done in any other episode. I don't understand how Jensen's acting just keeps getting better and better and better. T_T I have to wonder, though, if the casual watchers caught onto all of that -- maybe the exposition was necessary for them?
SERIOUSLY. Dean needs Castiel more than ever now, so Cas better have a damned good reason for being so aloof. Maybe it's got something to do with why it took him four months to save Dean from Hell, who knows. I'm just sayin', there better be a reason. D:
Hahahha god, all of this Dean/Castiel meta for an episode with no Castiel, IMAGINE HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO ABUSE OUR LJS WHEN CASTIEL FINALLY DOES SHOW UP. :)) :)) :)) <33333333333333333333333333333333333
more puppy eyed Castiel, all sad and looking helpless with Dean beating himself up
fjdksa;fjlksdjf;ldskfja;lsdjalsdjflasdjflk;sdajsjaf;sldkfjslk THIS IS SERIOUSLY THE MOST DIGNIFIED RESPONSE I CAN MANAGE RIGHT NOW.
Omg what a dork, Ilu and your meta. ♥♥♥ I fangirled your meta even BEFORE we actually started talking this much. XD
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Date: 2009-01-17 01:57 am (UTC)AND OMFG CANNOT WAIT FOR TONIGHT'S EP. A;SDFJKASFL;KJFSDL;KJ
*lalala* I haven't SEEN MBV3D yet, wah! Tomorrow! One more day! *impatient*
And yeah, what you said about SN. Dean HURTS me. Seriously. His self-hate makes me want to bundle him up and rub his back until he feels better. Or...rub other things. *cough* WHATEVER WORKS. IT'S FOR A GOOD CAUSE Y/Y?!
I wish he'd stop pushing Sam away. It's starting to really get to me. I really really really miss the brotherliness of the previous seasons. I think that's the #1 reason why this season isn't really working as much for me. I miss them. I mean, Castiel is amazing, yes, and I love him, yes. But I miss the SamnDean show. Now it's the Sam and Dean show. And that distance SHOULD NOT EXIST. D:
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Date: 2009-01-17 02:05 am (UTC)FJDKS;AFLDSAJF;L SEVEN MONTHS. SEVEN FUCKING MONTHS I'VE WAITED FOR TONIGHT.
OMG I AM SO EXCITED FOR YOU TO WATCH. !!!
Ahahaha, I would rub Dean anywhere he wants to be rubbed. Or, you know, SOMEONE ELSE COULD. WITH FEATHERS.
Right, I agree with you so much, there. But the plot wouldn't work as well, I guess, without that distance? Which breaks my heart because it makes me feel like I have to pick and I can't. D:
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Date: 2009-01-17 02:38 am (UTC)now goes back to the castiel/dean lemon she's fighting with.
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Date: 2009-01-17 02:41 am (UTC)Wheee! *waves Dean/Castiel flag in a corner*
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Date: 2009-01-17 05:46 am (UTC)I cannot even imagine how amazing that would be -- it's too much. I can't handle it. I'd have to walk around in circles or something because it'd be too much.
I'm too much of a wuss to watch a horror movie (plus, geez, haven't gone out to a new release in years), so I will enjoy your enjoyment of Jensen saying "Fuck" vicariously. Ah yes, that is really enjoyable!
After I thought about last night's SPN, I came to the conclusion that it was quite fabulous.... and then I loved it more after I watched these two vids here: http://sockkpuppett.livejournal.com/532615.html
Have you seen them? Her "Dean" one has some serious Castiel presence in it.
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Date: 2009-01-17 09:52 am (UTC)Heh, I'm sure that one moment will end up on the internet eventually, even if I have to see to it myself. XD
Oh my god I hadn't seen those before SO AMAZING. The Dean one gave me shivers, she really knows how to pick the moments, doesn't she? God, that last close-up shot of his eyes, oh my god, instantly one of my favourite fanvids. Thank you so much for the rec!
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Date: 2009-01-17 05:50 am (UTC)Though they were a bit similiarly traumatized, I couldn't help comparing Tom's trauma to Dean's time in Hell, LOL.
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Date: 2009-01-17 08:43 am (UTC)It sort of bemuses me that Dean's trauma was about a million times worse than Tom's trauma and yet look how (reasonably) well Dean's holding himself together. :P
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Date: 2009-01-17 06:33 am (UTC)MBV oh man, I want to see it SO bad, giant 3-D Jensen is such a temptation but I don't think I could handle it if he died tell me he doesn't die BB! D8
OMG 3D SUPERNATURAL, HOW AMAZING WOULD THAT BE?
OMG *FLAILS MADLY* THEY MUST MAKE A 3D SUPERNATURAL EITHER AN EPISODE OR A MOVIE I DON'T EVEN CARE!!!! 3D SAM N DEAN AND CASTIEL?!?!?!?! *WANTS!!!*
AND SHOW IS BAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND IT WAS FAN-FREAKING-TASTIC!!!!!!!
Poor broken Dean, I was so against the suggestion of Castiel taking his memories of hell but now I kinda wish we could D8
What's with Castiel not dropping in on them for a month? I really want to know.
Oh gods I felt so bad that even though this was an awesome episode and everything about it was genius and yet I couldn't help thinking Needs moar Castiel
Even though obviously there's a genuine storyarc reason for him to be there I feel ashamed that I would allow the presence of a support-character to in any way influence my overall opinion, but DAMMIT CASTIEL IS JUST TOO AWESOME!!! WE NEED MOAR!!!
maybe he's avoiding dwelling on Castiel, too, and/or thinking that just maybe the next job will lead him to Castiel. XD
*hugs this theory tightly*
But Castiel's going to have a tougher time with Dean than even I thought. Which, actually, is the very reason I ship them harder now. The more impossible redemption (in his own eyes) and recovery seem to be for Dean, the more necessary it is for me to have faith that their relationship will be good for him, which is fitting because so much of their relationship is founded on their faith in each other.
Me too BB, me too. Never has a non-canon ship captured my heart like this, with it's possibilities and potential. It's times like these that I really curse our narrow-minded society, this is a pairing that has nothing for us to be secretly ashamed of unless you're a hardcore religious person. It's so very much about love and faith and saving and redeeming one another, I honestly can't think of another ship that's so pure in intent. For all the angel!porn and the smut and the gutterthoughts that come from it, this ship is founded on such a simple concept of saving one another and the 'two-halves' concept. I honestly think this has become my all-time number one OTP.
I don't care what the hardcore Sam fans, Dean fans or Wincesters say, CASTIEL FTMFW!!!!!!
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Date: 2009-01-17 08:50 am (UTC)He doesn't die, bb! The last shot of the movie is him! ♥♥hearts;
OMG 3D DEAN/CASTIEL. 3D EYE!SEX. CAN YOU EVEN PICTURE THIS? NNNNGH. PORN PORN PORN.
I kinda wish he really HAD forgotten but it comes back to him in pieces, or something. And of course Castiel is there to help him deal with each new piece.
ME TOO. My initial reaction was kind of overwhelmingly "no Castiel? D:" but then I really thought about it and that's when I started loving it so much, heh. >.>
Awwww, bb. *draws hearts around your whole last paragraph* Beautifully said and so, so TRUE, I'm so glad I know people like you. <3333333333333!
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Date: 2009-01-17 08:52 am (UTC)Congrats on your book coming, hope you have an enjoyable few days reading it
Mags
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Date: 2009-01-17 09:46 am (UTC)Heee, thank you so much, I will! :D :D :D
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Date: 2009-01-17 10:55 am (UTC)I would like nothing more right now than for Dean to put himself, his own life, before that of someone else's. Anyone else's.
Oh god, me too, me too bb... But damn, will he ever though?
AND CASTIEL, WE NEED SOOOOOOO MUCH MORE FROM CASTIEL. I MISS HIM!!
AS FOR HUGE 3D JENSEN SAYING FUCK, I WOULD HAVE THE EXACT SAME REACTION!!!!!!! XDDDDDDD
You and your shiny, pretty BSG book are so cute!! D'awwwwwww! I AM SO HAPPY FOR YOU, BB!!!!! ♥!
THANK YOU AS ALWAYS, BB, FOR YET ANOTHER WONDERFULLY ENTERTAINING BRILLIANTLY INSIGHTFUL POST <3333333333333333333333333333!
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Date: 2009-01-17 11:05 am (UTC)But damn, will he ever though?
I feel like he'll NEED to, in the end, for anything to come to an end.
nnngh. speaking of endings. I would have more to say but BSG has broken my brain and I am so. oh my god, I have nothing. You're up already and I haven't even slept yet. devastated and dying and this is the best day of the year. I love you.
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Date: 2009-01-17 05:55 pm (UTC)Another MONTH, that's terrible, I'm sorry. D: But when you do actually get to see it.. it'll be worth the wait.
Heh, don't worry, if I'd known he was gonna say 'fuck', I'd have been way more excited too, lol. I wanna say it would've saved me an embarrassing, surprised squeal, but on second thought I would've squealed anyway. :))
SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY, 3D EYE!SEX BETWEEN THOSE TWO. And hahahha, if Jensen is already so huge, I can just picture how huge Jared would be in 3D. XD
I know, right? Considering he took up like half of the "previously", I thought he'd be in it, but. D: Still, awesome ep, I'm not gonna complain.
Dean has no good reason to hate himself -- you know it, I know it, Sam knows it, Castiel knows it, Dean is the only one who doesn't. D: That's really all I want from the end of the series, anymore, is for Dean to find some measure of personal peace, regardless of whether he stays on earth or disappears somewhere with Castiel. That image you paint very much reminds me of Frodo sailing away with the elves, and it's gorgeous. And, like Sam (Gamgee), Sam (Winchester) would be able to come to peace with that, knowing that Dean's alright. Though, on the other hand, it really really really goes against everything in the show to separate them like that.
Every Thursday, yep! :D :D I have to wait for the downloads too, unfortunately.
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