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[tracy_loo_who]

Remember that thing from a few months ago where Sonoma County separated an elderly gay couple while one of them was in the hospital and then sold their home?

Well, here's a new headline: Sonoma County Defendants to Pay Clay Greene over $650,000 to Settle Case in Which County Forcefully Separated Greene from his Partner of 20 Years

Or, in other words: \O/\O/\O/

Shit like this makes me SO HAPPY.

And shit like Inception makes me SO CONFUSED. Did Cobb and Mal grow old together for those 50 years or did they kill themselves on that train track while they were still young? FFFFFFFFF I need to go and read some reviews and explanations, IDEK, but I am going to be thinking about this forever. T_T

In other news, I have a respectable tan.

Comments

[mrstotten.livejournal.com]

lol this

And shit like Inception makes me SO CONFUSED. Did Cobb and Mal grow old together for those 50 years or did they kill themselves on that train track while they were still young? FFFFFFFFF I need to go and read some reviews and explanations, IDEK, but I am going to be thinking about this forever. T_T

Was my first thought too!!! :) I thought maybe it was part of the dream of him seeing her as he always wanted to remember her, and he planted this idea in her head, so it would have been in a dream, that was seperate from limbo so perhaps in the dreams she remembered herself as young, perhaps :)

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I won't even tell you how many times I had to read your theory before I understood it. /o\

It almost makes sense. Almost. Like the movie. fffff.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

RIGHT? Finally someone gets a bit of what they deserve.

So, they were in limbo for 50 years and had time to grow old, but since they were in limbo they didn't actually grow old? Or something?

IDK, man, and I don't even want to begin to figure out how the ending came about.

Hahha I should put together like, a timeline of photos showing my progressive tanning. XD

[prongsy.livejournal.com]

I concur with this interpretation. They grew old in the dream, but since it's a dream, it can be perceived as however they wanted it. So, I think in many of the flashbacks, living Cobb saw her as young. It wasn't until he had to give up his little piece of her that he had to remind her (and thus, really, himself) that they had grown old together because in a sense they had, having spent so much time in that dream world. And because they had grown old together, he had fulfilled his promise to her AND he had gotten a lifetime with her and could thus, finally, move on.

[baciami2.livejournal.com]

Every once in awhile, it seems the Justice system doles out true justice. How heartbreaking that they *poofed* this elderly gentleman from his longtime love just like Kara was *poofed* away from Lee in the BSg finale. Of course, RL is the real tragedy. The callousness of these bureaucrats when the couple had all their legal paperwork in order must have felt like a walking nightmare. If there's a heaven where we are reunited with our beloved ones, then I hope they find each other there.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

At least Kara chose to leave! Not the case here. D: But I'm glad for this victory even if it doesn't change or fix what happened.

[vyrantium.livejournal.com]

Awww yay! I'm so happy for Clay :) I'm glad posting around and signing petitions seemed to do some good... makes you feel good that your voice makes a difference!

[tracy.livejournal.com]

My guess is he probably would've won regardless, but at least the petition thing helped spread the word, I hope!

[themadfish.livejournal.com]

Yaayyy!! I'm glad they at least got some justice.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Too little and too late, but better than nothing, of course. :)

[kitsu84.livejournal.com]

Cobb said something about "Old Souls" being thrown back into youth (his words, not mine). So, I imagine that they didn't literally grow old together, just their souls did... If that makes any sense. URGH, IDEK. D:

[tracy.livejournal.com]

That also makes sense. Maybe while they were growing old they perceived it as such, but once Cobb figured out it wasn't real he thinks of them as being in their young forms?

[uwalumni2.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, I see this too often. I work at a hospital and you would think in 2010, this shit doesn't exit, but it does. Not only with same sex, but there is still racial issues. Descrimination-hatred is as old as the bible and will exist as long as humans exist. However, if each of us stands up, it will make a difference for people such as Mr. Greene. My heart goes out to him...the time together with his loved one can not be bought back with $650,000. Hopefully this will protect the next couple there...hope.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I had no idea it happened so often. D: Argh, at least this is a step in the right direction, though.

[lily-firebolt.livejournal.com]

Yay for justice and yay for tans!

As for Inception! Wasn't it awesome??? Hahaha. From what I gathered, they grew old together in dream world. Remember how time moves faster down there? But in order to get back to the real world, in effect to wake up, Dom planted the seed that their world wasn't real (which it wasn't) and they killed themselves on the train track so they could wake up.

However, we don't REALLY know if Dom was in dream land or the real world because as the top was wavering the movie cut to credits. It's my firm belief the top would have stopped spinning.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Actually I've come to think it wouldn't have stopped spinning, because if you look at his children, they hadn't aged a day since that memory was first made and they were even wearing the same clothes!

[sparky77.livejournal.com]

You do not need to understand Inception. Just enjoy the hot men in suits being hot and blowing things up.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

BEST EXPLANATION I'VE SEEN YET. :D

[coffeejunkii.livejournal.com]

such awesome news! yay!

[tracy.livejournal.com]

*TWIRLS YOU*

[sin-stained-ink.livejournal.com]

I'm so happy that they got some compensation, but so annoyed that it happened in the first place. Once again, people suck.

Am I the only person in the world who hasn't seen this film?!

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's definitely a case of too little and too late, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

Well, someone else commented to say she hadn't either, so there's at least one other person in the world. ;)

[barkinmad.livejournal.com]

I saw it as them growing old together in Limbo, but Cobb wanted Mal to go home, so he convinced her that it was all a dream. But when they got back to "reality" she still thought that it was a dream, that they were still down a level, and they had to kill themselves in order to get back to the true reality.

So that makes three options for the end of the movie: He's in reality, he's in limbo, he's in a dreamstate and Mal actually woke up in reality.

I choose number two!

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I choose the last one, it's quite fitting! And the fact that his children were exactly as he left them suggests that, sort of.

[samara-draven.livejournal.com]

This is fantastic news! I'm still sad it happened at all because the gentlemen took every step to ensure this wouldn't happen. Not only was their legal documentation ignored but their human rights were squashed as well. Sticking a man in a home against his will? What nonsense! The story pissed me off. The resolution makes me feel a bit vindicated for them. Now I'm just sad. Thanks for sharing. :)

I never saw Inception and have no wish to, so I can't help with that. Sorry. :)

[effervescent.livejournal.com]

...huh. Did we see a scene with Mal and Cobb where they were old? Like, physically? *can't remember* Because if so, I wonder how that happened, otherwise everyone's comments makes sense.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Yes, we did! There was a shot of their hands, clasped together and all old and wrinkly. Also I think there was a shot of them walking down the street together looking old.

[drusillas-rain.livejournal.com]

that's fantastic news!

[tracy.livejournal.com]

*beams*

[k3lit0.livejournal.com]

That's awesome about the county being held responsible, but that isn't nearly enough $$ compared to what he deserves. Also it'd be nice if there were laws made to prevent this etc.

I think you do age in limbo, because of the part where Saito is old. But maybe it has to do with your perception. Or maybe it was just showing us visually their mental ages. I don't know now, dammit... lol

So I was thinking, because at the end the totem starts to wobble that it was real- right? But then my bf mentions- it doesn't matter if it stops spinning, it wasn't his totem so it wouldn't spin forever. It was just his subconscious doing what he thought it should, so if he thought it was real it would stop. Doesn't mean it is, even if it did. SO NOW I'm confused. Maybe Nolan wanted to see some beast fanfics hah

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Well, hopefully this case will be a lesson to other counties?

I'm inclined to agree that it has to do with perception. Saito grew old because he forgot the world wasn't real, whereas Cobb looked for him in limbo but didn't grow old because he knew it was limbo.

Well, also, he knows the feel of the totem, so his dream state could recreate it and have it fall over even if he's in a dream. The totem only tells you when you're in someone else's dream. So, still dreaming in the end, I think!

[pandarus.livejournal.com]

Yay about the follow up to the Sonoma County abuse, but, God, this KILLED me:

In August, 2008, before the partners could be reunited, Scull passed away after completing a photo album of the couple’s life for Greene.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Ughh back when I first found out about this that was the part that got to me most. D: D: D:

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I hope you've seen it by now!

Yes, step in the right direction and all. :)

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'Or, in other words: \O/\O/\O/'
I second that!

'And shit like Inception makes me SO CONFUSED.'
That's what I've heard. Even though I've read a couple of great Arthur/Eames fics (I love suit!porn) I haven't seen the movie yet.

[bloodyfire.livejournal.com]

can i has links to these fics plz?

[englilshmajor.livejournal.com]

RE Inception

Like a few people have already commented, I think Cobb & Mal grew old together for those 50 years. The flashbacks/Mal always look young because that is how Cobb remembers her. Mal also doesn't remember this because she is a creation of his subconscious (and his guilt), so she only reflects his ability to deal with what happened.

Also, the ending? I think he's still in the dream. The totem wobbled, but like Soup pointed out that was probably Mal's totem, not his. What makes me think it was still a dream, though, is that his kids looked EXACTLY THE SAME every time he saw them, including the last time. Yes, they turned around at the end, but everything else was exactly the same.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I've since thought about it some more and I agree with you 100%!

Anyway, even if it was his totem, he knows how it feels and thus if he was in his own dream, he could recreate it. The totem only tells you when you're in someone else's dream, right, that's the reason you can't let anyone else touch it.

[bloodyfire.livejournal.com]

lol do not get me started on this movie. seriously. after seeing it my brain kicked into highgear before i settled upon a theory that makes the most sense, is the most epic and can be explained the long way or in short.

the movie is about the mental gymanastics his brain had to go through to allow him to loose his mind ^_^ aka he's pretty much stuck in limbo/a a perma dream. the whole movie takes place in cobbs head!

cause i can no longer edit mah lj

[bloodyfire.livejournal.com]

also the whole totem wobble ppl keep pointing out. it flat out fell several times throughout the movie not to mention (as it has been) not his totem we never see his.

[kaje-less.livejournal.com]

Cobb and Mal? Hm, I must have been distracted by pretty Arthur in his suspenders <3 <3

Also, yay~ for Greene! \O/ I was so upset when I first found out about it but it gladdens me to see some justice.

[tracy.livejournal.com]

*g* This. And Eames! ♥

I hope this will serve as a warning to other counties!

[starlitshore.livejournal.com]

THEY GREW OLD TOGETHER AND THEN KILLED THEMSELVES TO GET BACK AND WERE YOUNG AGAIN IN REAL LIFE AND SHE COULDN'T TAKE IT AND WANTED TO GO BACK AND *SOB*

I was torn by the end. Is he dreaming or NOT?!

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I am leaving in 3 days.

I also have a respectable tan. :D

I AM LEAVING IN 3 FUCKING DAYS. :O

[tracy.livejournal.com]

I THINK HE IS DREAMING. IF YOU LOOK AT HIS CHILDREN, THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY WERE IN HIS MEMORY, CLOTHES AND ALL! MAL WAS PROBABLY RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING, AND SHE WOKE UP IN THE REAL WORLD WHILE HE WAS STUCK IN THE DREAM.

Holy shit HOW EXCITED ARE YOU? I am excited! BE EXCITED OMG. !!!!

[ssshego.livejournal.com]

Inception really makes me crave intruder!Cas on Dean's dreams-fic. I'm going to watch it again later today and expect to be just as confuzzled as I was when I first watched it!

BTW, have been meaning to say this to you, but welcome to Portugal! In the name of the whole country I'd like to preemptively apologize for a lot of stuff you probably already noticed by now ;).

[tracy.livejournal.com]

Now that you mention it, I could go for some of that myself!

And LOL thank you, but I have no idea what you mean. I am loving it here, concert last night and then I spent all day at Troia today. :D Anyway, where in Portugal are you from?